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Initial post: Aug 12, 2009 8:02:14 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 12, 2009 8:41:40 AM PDT
Operaman! says:
A post was started to popular music on vinyl that still hasn't made it to CD (or needs reissue). How about complete operas or recitals that still aren't on digital? Anyone care to state their favorites?

- Massenet Thais with Moffo. Plenty of "bootlegs" have been made, but I'd like a legit digital restoration from BMG.

- Massenet La Navaraisse with Lucia Popp. Originally on Columbia Masterworks, far superior to the RCA recording with Marilyn Horne.

-Joan Sutherland Command Performances set. Bits and pieces of it are on compilations and the like, but not the complete set.

-Frederica von Stade's Italian arias album on CBS, as well as her recording of Monteverdi's Ulyssie that I've never heard.

-Magloire's recording of Rameau Les Indes Galantes and Hippolyte et Aricie. Still not on CD and I think better than the performances currently available.

-Revive CD versions of Hindemith's Mathis der Mahler (EMI) and Penderecki's Teufel von Loudon (Phillips) - Ebay bidders have to pay a fortune for remaining copies!

Posted on Aug 12, 2009 5:56:37 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 4, 2012 4:58:09 PM PDT
Edgar Self says:
Weber's "Oberon" on mono Period LPs, South German Radio/Hans Muller Kray, with ace tenor Karl Liebl, who sings the battle-aria of Huon of Bordeaux as well as anyone I've heard, including Helge Roswaenge. it'll never make digital, and did briefly appear in slightly abbreviated form on Cabaletta CBCD 002, but is hard to find and rare even as LPs. Hanne Muench, Paula Bauer, Friederike Siler, Franz Fehringer (Oberon), Helene Bader (Rezia), and Robert Titze are in the cast, but the reason to hear and buy it for me is Karl Liebl. Fehringer is terrible as Oberon. He sounds like Robert Helpmann if R.H. could sing, which he can't.

Liebl is Erik in Dorati's "Flying Dutchman", an outstanding Tannhaeuser from Rome RAI with Rodzinski, Brouwenstijn, and Eberhard Waechter; Liebl is First Armed Man in Klemperer's "Magic Flute". He was also one of the three Tristans that Nilsson ploughed into the ground in one night at the Met. Karl Boehm joked (!) that he couldn't conduct with only one Isolde. I think there are recorded Tristan excerpts with Liebl, who lived until last year in the Rhineland.

Posted on Aug 14, 2009 7:53:53 AM PDT
Dag Kyndel says:
Leinsdorf's Don Giovanni on RCA with Nilsson, Price, Siepi. A wonderful reading of the score and singers in their prime. Very well received among critics when it appeared, this recording has been out of the catalogue for very many years.

Posted on Aug 14, 2009 9:01:14 AM PDT
BigBob56 says:
A guilty pleasure for me - Mady Mesple's album of Strauss waltzes on EMI. Robert A.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 15, 2009 1:15:58 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 16, 2009 1:21:34 AM PDT
Re Leinsdorf's opera recordings. I've never quite understood why so many fans have taken a rather top-lofty and sneering attitude to his work even though the man tossed out a number of very impressive performances, such as the Nilsson-Vickers "Walkure."

The opera that I'd like to see on CD is the Milanov-Di Stefano "Forza" from 1953 or 54. It received mixed reviews at the time, but I've always liked it.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 15, 2009 2:31:21 AM PDT
Dag Kyndel says:
The Leinsdorf Walküre is among many critics considered to be one of the best, by some THE best. Birgit Nilsson had great respect for this conductor.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2009 12:47:34 PM PDT
Dmitri says:
Piso knows who I am, but Hello to the rest of you.

I don't even know who composed this opera, but it is called La Wally? Is there even a recording of it. It is in my 101 opera librettos. Thanks.

Dmitri/Fred

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2009 2:13:48 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 17, 2009 5:46:05 AM PDT
Edgar Self says:
Dmitri/Fred, "La Wally" by Alfredo Catalani 1854-1893 is the only I opera I know that ends with an avalanche that kills everyone left standing on stage and sometimes overflows into half the orchestra. It was premiered in 1892. Avalanches are hard to control, especially in operas. Toscanini was such a good friend of Catalani's that, in honour of "La Wally", he named all his children Wanda, Walter, &tc.

I have two recordings of it and am sure there are more: Decca 4252417, 2 CDs, recorded ADD in 1969, sports Renata Tebaldi, Mario del Monaco, Piero Cappuccilli, Justino Diaz, and conductor Fausto Cleva with chorus from Torino and the opera orchestra of Monte Carlo. Cleva often conducted at the Met. Full libretto and translation. A good cast.

The big soprano aria "Ebben? N'andro lontana" was in the 1982 movie "Diva" and later used in TV commercials. Decca is the way to go unless you're like me, a big Olivero fan.

Then there is a cheap Opera d'Oro, bare bones, no libretto, but with the great Magda Olivero, one of the few sopranos ranked with the best Italian singing-actresses. It's live from Bergamo in 1972. Others in the cast are Nicola Zaccaria and a bunch of other Italians ... Zanini, Zamboni, Farina, Carroli, Foiani, conducted by Ferruccio Scaglia.

Posted on Aug 16, 2009 4:49:37 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 16, 2009 4:51:55 PM PDT
David Brown says:
I am enjoying this discussion - I'm here as a first-timer. I couldn't agree more about the Popp Navarraise and the Moffo Thais. Add in the Lully Armide on CBS with Malgoire and Felicity Palmer (early to mid-seventies?), and the EMI/HMV Gluck Armide with Richard Hickox and Felicity Palmer again (early eighties). As for the Leinsdorf Don Giovanni and the Milanov Forza? Both were on CD in the Decca/London "Grand Opera" series but disappeared long ago. The Forza I have managed to find twice in used stores but the Giovanni is just-about the most elusive opera set ever!

Posted on Aug 16, 2009 5:12:00 PM PDT
Edgar Self says:
I saw Erich Leinsdorf conduct "Don Giovanni" from the harpsichord and accompany the recitatives himself without a stick of music in front of him: Cesare Siepi, Victoria de los Angeles, Jan Peerce, and Elisabeth Schwarzkopf. San Francisco Opera on tour at Los Angeles in 1956. He then conducted "Walkuere" with Birgit Nilsson (American debut), Set Svanholm, and Hans Hotter. I thought they were grand.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2009 5:48:18 PM PDT
how is that opera d'oro recording? I they have one used at my local 'FYE' and I almost bought it.
I've picked up a few of them over the years and have found them to be unlistenable.
Now it'll have to be an opera I don't know, just to 'hear' whether I want to invest in a decent set.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 17, 2009 6:57:58 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 17, 2009 6:58:45 AM PDT
Edgar Self says:
palJacky -- Opera d'Oro's "La Wally" is in fair sound, clunky orchestra, not much stage noise (until the avalanche!), but a great performance by Magda Olivero, the real reason to buy it. She's closer to Claudia Muzio than any other soprano I know. The Decca recording is of course much better, and Tebaldi is also a great singer with an excellent cast.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2009 9:43:11 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 24, 2009 9:47:04 AM PDT
JdoOpera76 says:
Strangely-enough, I have been listening to the Leinsdorf "Walkure" in my car the last few days :) It was released on CD back in 2002, and is available right here on amazon.com...Die Walkure (Dig)

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2009 9:55:29 AM PDT
Dag Kyndel says:
No, Die Walküre is still to be found. Today I got the Leinsdorf Cosi fan tutte from Germany, and have bought his Don Giovanni on LP from the U.S.

Posted on Aug 24, 2009 9:54:05 PM PDT
Dag & Jeremy: SURE! We can find diff. kinds of the Leinsdorf/Walkure, and it's GREAT that the 1962 production is available. .. For a reason, Leinsdorf always (even in WW2 years) started-off the opera, very-QUICKLY .. and the tempo is almost-insanely fast .. in the very beginning. Afterwards, he settles-in, very well (IMHO) .. and the entire opera can have some of it's GREATest interpretations, from the baton of a (partially) underrated conductor.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2009 10:48:51 PM PDT
Dag Kyndel says:
Oh yes, maestro Leinsdorf is underrated. Many critics count his Walküre as the best of all available recordings of this opera. Don Giovanni: There has been some discussions concerning the female singers, more specific Price and Nilsson, as not suitable for their roles. I do not agree. In The Gramophone yor can read: "Siepi and Corena as man and master make a very fine pair... such easy authorityand perfect enunciation. Leontyne Price is splendid as Elvira and Birgit Nilsson is thrillingly dramatic."

Posted on Aug 25, 2009 10:25:39 AM PDT
How about Iris. Greanted it is a little known work but it does have some wonderful moments. I think there are pirated recording but to my knowledge not a good professional one.
Mr. Bill

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 25, 2009 1:23:33 PM PDT
Figaro says:
It is available on CD from ArKivMusic.com at the following link. (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Drilldown?comp_id=3773

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 25, 2009 1:33:06 PM PDT
Edgar Self says:
Mr. Bill and Figaro -- There's a complete live Mascagni "Iris" on Gala 710 recorded at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw 26 October 1962 with the great Magda Olivero, Renato Capecchi, Plinio Clabassi, and Luigi Ottolini, conductied by Fulvia Vernizzi. Two of the characters are named Osaka and Kyoto, so this may be the answer to S. Bernard's "Butterfly" dilemma. In August Strindberg's play "The Road to Damascus" (early 1900s) there is a character named Hiroshima!

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 25, 2009 1:38:52 PM PDT
I certainly would love to hear this recording (Don Giovanni:Price Nilsson) I can imagine that it has some beautiful sounds and debt of character

Posted on Aug 25, 2009 1:42:03 PM PDT
Thanks to both Figaro and Piso Mojado. I have heard the Concertgebouw recording, but I am not particularly fond of life recordings and Magda Olivero, to me, leaves much to be desired. I find her to be very much like ( and I am sure I will get lots of hate mail for this) Callas, a much better actress than vocalist.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 25, 2009 1:54:59 PM PDT
Thanks yet again, I have recently found arkivmusic and I am loving it!

Posted on Aug 25, 2009 2:19:08 PM PDT
David Brown says:
Try the CBS/Sony "Iris" with Domingo and (I think) Ilona Tokody - a greatly underrated soprano, to me a kind of Gheorghiu with character!

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 25, 2009 2:43:24 PM PDT
Figaro says:
Mr. Bill, You would be pleased and well-rewarded. It, in my view, is a splendid effort and has become my "Don" of choice. I am fortunate to have acquired it, as I can't find it anywhere. It would be a shame if it has indeed "gone with the wind." Dag Kyndel notes some discussion concerning the suitability of of the two female leads for their roles. Not to me at least. Actually, this was a clever "out of the box" move. Price is superb as Elvira, but this casting isn't that remarkable given the character. But Nilssen as Anna "revs up" a character all too often portrayed as a stereotypical tightly-wound neurotic bore. I've seen productions where this has been complimented by a "Dudley Do-Right" Ottavio, and come away in utter frustration that the two probably deserved each other and why would even the Don have wasted his time. Nilssen refreshingly shatters that mold. The used recording market, and maybe even ebay might be worth working. Hope you find one! Interestingly, the 1955 Krips recording is still available, which at least gives you the Siepi-Corena pairing, though the technical quality is not as good as the Leinsdorf.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 25, 2009 4:47:18 PM PDT
Edgar Self says:
Ronald Bill, no hate mail, but acknowledgment of the simple truth, as Magda Olivero can usually only be compared with Claudia Muzio or Callas, unless we go back to Celestina Boninsegna. Admittedly Olivero's is not a conventionally beautiful voice, but I find it doesn't let go of me either. Having said that, now I have to confess I haven't heard her "Iris" except for a few seconds to see that it played. No offense at all. I really think you had to SEE Callas, which I never did, but I find Olivero often compelling on her own terms ... "Sola! Perduta! Abandonnata!", for instance, and Muzio turns me to butter.
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