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Posted on Jul 10, 2012 2:24:20 PM PDT
sysgen says:
R.J. Satori said: "Steam was, I believe, the first such service to slip their storefront & DRM into physical packaging in order to directly undercut the brick & mortar storefronts they were competing with."

Again.... Steam installs their internet browser on your PC, not their storefront. Your under no requirement to use it. You want to argue they force install an internet browser you don't need to use, go ahead.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 2:36:09 PM PDT
Bryan says:
I am 50 years old. I did catalogue punch cards in the mid 80s. So boring..... Then we got us some tape drives!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 5:18:48 PM PDT
I've used tape drives fairly recently. We were still using them for back-up in Army Strategic Command (Under NORAD) in 2007 when I left there. We couldn't even get new ones, so we had specific instructions on when to record over old IR data. Yeah, I was in a unit that watched MISSILES from SPACE, and we used tape drives...

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 4:13:43 AM PDT
I'm 24, I grew up as AOL was the new thing. I remember when CDs came out though, I got me a copy of Myst, the first Disc game. My Dad and I bonded on that game.

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 9:19:29 AM PDT
D. Neckels says:
hahaha, I haven't bought a new PC video game (or any video game) in over 2 years. One and only reason = steam and required internet downloads.

Even if I'm not a movement, I hope I am at least a gnat in the face of these online bullies.

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 9:28:32 AM PDT
D. Neckels says:
oh, I should add a question:
do any of these new games have non steam/non internet downlowd game of the year versions, etc?? Internet activation is fine but 1) no steam, 2) no downloads or patches.
?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:22:40 AM PDT
Rockhardly says:
"oh, I should add a question:
do any of these new games have non steam/non internet downlowd game of the year versions, etc?? Internet activation is fine but 1) no steam, 2) no downloads or patches.
?"

Regarding #2, good luck finding any game - on any platform - aside from a very few that have been abandoned, that doesn't have any patches.

As for #1 = not sure why you would be against steam, but okay with internet activation - but, whatever floats your boat.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 11:03:41 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 12, 2012 11:04:30 AM PDT
mc-Hotsauce says:
try looking on gog or something. i think they should have a list for you to check out.
i am not sure though...
im a raging steam fanboy over here!!! :)
i am lucky enough to have verizon quantum 300mb download speed and am wired always with my aging beast of a desktop here.
so i can not object to having to be online all the time with steam and other types of publisher drm packages that annoy me with their constant downloading a 3-500MB patch/update (tf2 im looking at you...stupid hats...)
:)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 11:25:46 AM PDT
D. Neckels says:
yeah, cool.
I do 56k modem.
I am on the computer all day just dont have the desire to do same at home.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 12:58:48 PM PDT
"If you look on the Empire Total War page on amazon, there is no mention of it anywhere in the description or requirements that Steam and an internet connection is needed to play. For this, the game deserves a one-star."

That's stupid, the quality of the game does not change because it was listed incorrectly. A review should be of the game, the actual game, not how it was listed in Amazon.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 1:00:45 PM PDT
WolfPup says:
The review is of the PRODUCT. DRM is part of the PRODUCT.

Posted on Jul 12, 2012 1:07:03 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 12, 2012 1:13:15 PM PDT
He said (in quotes) that the game gets a one star rating because the Amazon page doesn't mention that Steam is required.

Amazon's listing practices have nothing to do with the gameplay experience. He can give it one star if he thinks DRM makes it unplayable. He's doing the game developers a huge disservice, and he's only helping maybe the 1000 people who are too stupid and paranoid to get a Steam account.

Steam is not suddenly bad. There are just a vocal minority of paranoid self-righteous knuckleheads who take some kind of pride in boycotting something they dislike. They want everybody else to dislike it too, so they troll and flame and post 1 star reviews. In their minds, they're doing everyone a favor. In reality, they're jsut sad people with too much time on their hands. If they disliked Steam 10 years ago, they still hate it today, nothing changes their minds. They are closed-minded people.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 1:12:35 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 1:33:18 PM PDT
Nettacki says:
As a supporter of Steam, I still think that by stating those words, you ignore what legitimate issues there are with the system.

Posted on Jul 12, 2012 1:49:56 PM PDT
Bryan says:
As we speak, Steam has a great summer sale going on. Hard to resist. Portal 2 is like $4.99....just sayin. For those who can't imagine someone converting from hater to accepter. Yes, I don't own anything. Yes I have to check in online to play it from time to time but $5 for instant gratification. That's the bait. No I won't be paying $40 for Max Payne 3 even though I want it really bad. Will be waiting for it to get cheaper.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 2:38:14 PM PDT
Ryan says:
Large Sales usually means I can't download and install the games I bought until the sales ends.
Although I got the original Half-Life along with the expansions for a cheap price ($9.97). And the download speeds seemed much better than last Christmas...but it's the first day and I imagine it'll slow down a lot.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 2:52:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 12, 2012 8:12:28 PM PDT
Ryan says:
I'm sorry but that's just plain ignorant of you.

While the attitudes of some people here are a bit over the top they still make very valid points. They're expressing their dislike with the system because of how it works, not because it's popular. You ignore the evidence they present to you and just assume they're being irrational and paranoid. Giving a 1 star review on a steamworks or similar client-side title is not a bad thing anyway if the customer is not happy with the purchase, it gives a chance for people to know of the DRM offhand in case Amazon doesn't list it (which kind of happens frequently to be honest). I find the system itself flawed and know the risks it has, but I still see some value in it and I know alternatives to it if presented.

Posted on Jul 12, 2012 6:11:49 PM PDT
mc-Hotsauce says:
and it is really sad that deus x : hr was the only game i wanted to get or not have already...

:(:(:(

oh well there is still the end of the year blowouts that im getting ready for with my new 10, 10 1 tb raid 0's and 1's and another 7970 dd beand see what i can finally do with that.

:)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 6:16:29 PM PDT
WolfPup says:
Wait, 10 drives in one system? Heehee, that's a riot, but do you need that many?

Posted on Jul 13, 2012 12:37:57 AM PDT
B. Galligan says:
it didn't suddenly become bad, it was always bad, from the very beginning.
it is drm, its something that removes freedom of the user. if you wanted to borrow or lend a copy of a game, no dice, if you wanted to sell your game to someone else, no dice, it ties everything to one account and at any time that account can be banned for no reason, and they even will not tell you the reason unless you directly contact them and ask them why you were banned.

publishers want steam to succeed because it is a DRM platform where they can sell their games for 70% pure profit with no manufacturing costs. They sell you less of a product, for the same amount of money. Essentially you are paying more for less, which is the objective of every money-making suit out there.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 4:30:16 AM PDT
bfore13 says:
Some make valid points while some are misinformed, talk about issues that are wrong and back up points with anecdotal evidence (e.g., this one time at band camp ...). Some dislike the system because of their experience 5-10 yrs (maybe when they had dial-up?) which has no relevance as to why it's "bad" now. Just because people like myself use Steam doesn't mean we don't know it's flawed and less than ideal from the gamer's perspective. It just means we know the risks and accept them. It also doesn't make us fanboys but the dissenters seem to think otherwise.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 5:11:54 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 13, 2012 5:12:21 AM PDT
Steam had a neutral stance on publishers and gave away the middle man stance when they started Project Greenlight. Now they're an extremely indie friendly platform that is giving more power to the community than ever before, yet people will still complain and call them the devil.

By the way, the sale is in full swing ;)

/wear valve knee pads

Posted on Jul 13, 2012 5:29:07 AM PDT
<- "Long-Term Rented" Darksiders for $4.99 this morning. Looks forward to "renting" about 5-10 more games in the next week or so, all for under $10 (or I don't bother).

I think it's funny when people talk about resale value and stuff like that with Steam. Those of us who like it for the sales don't care about resale. If I get a game for $5, I'm not going to try reselling it. It isn't even an issue. It would have to be totally broken or terrible for me to not get $5 worth of enjoyment out of a game. And I'm still coming out ahead, since someone who buys a console game at $60 and sells it back for $40 (if they beat it in a few days and take it right back) still spent $20 on something he can't play anymore.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 5:33:36 AM PDT
Exactly, but no one ever understands the point about entertainment value.

Oh well. I'm waiting on a deeper ARMA II sale for Day Z and will probably pick up the Torchlight 2 four pack. Other than that, I think I already own everything else I'd have wanted to get this year.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 5:44:38 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 13, 2012 5:45:57 AM PDT
Bryan says:
Yeah I buy steam games and enjoy the deals but I don't really want to disparage non steam users. I think steam is a mixed experience and satisfaction is based on what the user focuses on. I will never be pro END-USER-DRM. I don't even have a choice as I see it for the games I want to play but everything needs balance. If not for the heel draggers, we could find ourselves playing our games from a web browser with it all running on the cloud. Imagine not only owning a single MB....imagine paying a fee to play the game until you are tired of it and poof. End subscription. Paying for an experience that if you want to try again, you pay again. I often drag out my old command and conquer titles or GTA3. It would suck to have to pay to play them again. Don't ever think intrusion of DRM will stop if nobody holds back the tide. It is money after all that is at stake and money makes people do things that have nothing to do with fairness.
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