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D5200 Announcement-Perhaps Ken Rockwell Is Right


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Initial post: Nov 6, 2012 7:56:29 AM PST
Gatorowl says:
Nikon announced the new D5200, which--surprise!--has a 24MP sensor (similar to the one in the D3200, but allegedly different in some respect), and enhanced AF. There might be a tweak to the video, but as for photography, there are no other significant changes from its predecessor.

Rockwell has asserted that there really haven't been any significant advances in digital photography since 2010, and this assertion seems to be definitely true for APS-C. These latest APS-C offerings from Nikon and Canon seem to confirm his thesis. Canon's Rebel doesn't even offer an improved sensor and the 24MP sensor that Nikon is adopting is underwhelming at best.

The only good thing about these announcements is that it makes purchasing a D5100--or T3i if you prefer Canon-- at a reduced price that much more of a bargain.

Posted on Nov 6, 2012 8:09:50 AM PST
T. Campbell says:
I've been noticing improved handling of noise at high ISOs on the latest cameras. Basically more people seem to be demanding the ability to "shoot in low light".

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 11:23:06 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 7, 2012 12:07:39 AM PST
® says:
DxOMark does show the sony 24mp sensor getting higher dynamic range and color depth over the 16mp version. The 16mp sensor does win on ISO. I agree the jump isn't as huge as the 16mp sensor that came out in 2010 over previous generation.

Sony sensor dept has been very progressive in the design and investment though. They invested in $1/2billion on new cellphone sensor. Why, i guess that is the largest market and all those iphone sensor are sony. Plus they picked up Panasonic (thought they made their own), Olympus, Lecia, hasselbald as new sensor client.

Canon might have hit the peak of the aps-c so they are stuck at 18mp with its current fab. They are using the same .5 Process Generation, which is cheaper and easier to produce. Sony is using .18 for the D800.

http://www.chipworks.com/blog/technologyblog/2012/10/24/full-frame-dslr-cameras-canon-stays-the-course/

they seem to be more focus on the processor and other features. As the digic chip (the high end one) is probably faster then anything Nikon has.

I would agree with Mr. Campbell, since my eyes noticed ISO noise more then color depth or dr, I would take the low-lighting situation more seriously. I would like them to update the light bulb to the red IR (found on speedlight) to focus in pitch black better. I think wireless, gps, android, etc are nice luxury features, but when they take out performance features like 1/8000 and 1/320-1/250 sybc speed on the d600, that is more important. 3-5% of my shoots are faster then 1/4000. The 39 AF point on the D5200 is a great starter for sport and action photography, that is the only thing that really stick out at me. Probably means the D7000 and D300s line will merge. If sony can bring/filter down their global shutter tech from video to dslr cis that would be nice too.

Posted on Nov 6, 2012 12:27:59 PM PST
Gatorowl says:
Comparing DXOMarks for D5100 (16MP) to D3200 and Nex 7 (both 24MP), the 24MP betters the 16MP on color depth only. However, looking at the measurements, I don't see any significant differences at any ISO. It looks like photographers can tease a little more resolution out of the 24MP, but that's about it.

In terms of crop-sensor photography, I don't see any significant IQ--whether in well-lit or low-light shooting--improvements over the 16MP.

With such diminishing returns, perhaps this is one of the reasons Nikon is pushing enthusiasts to go full frame.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 12:31:51 PM PST
Fuzzybud says:
Darn, darn, darn, I just bought a D5100 a few weeks ago. Well, like they say, you can't keep chasing technology. There's always new stuff coming out

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 6:02:31 PM PST
Neo Lee says:
D5200 probably won't sell as low as your old D5100, so as to make late buyers like you a little less remorseful.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 6:18:03 PM PST
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Neo Lee says:
"With such diminishing returns, perhaps this is one of the reasons Nikon is pushing enthusiasts to go full frame."

Yep, and that will additionally generate more sales of FX lenses. They know we always want a better lens for a better body. As always, the marketing department runs a company.

They could sort of make a radically improved camera, but the cost of such innovation from R&D to manufacturing could cost years worth of their net revenue. At this stage, they are probably only still recouping their past five years of investments. Talking of which, Nikon doesn't have their own sensor fab house, so it's unrealistic to expect a radically improved sensor from this company, since they rely on Sony, and Sony isn't that interested in novelty new sensor; they are only interested in adding their catchy Exmoooor (TM) to their new sensors.

Fujifilm is one small hope. They seem to push on to organic sensors. Not sure if organic would be any better.
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