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Initial post: Feb 25, 2012 8:10:40 PM PST
do these work together!!! help! i have cactus v4's and they are not cutting it anymore and i want to upgrade, ive read many good reviews but im not sure if these are going to work together. please help!

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 7:16:15 AM PST
Tom Martin says:
Look into the Yonguno line of flashes.

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 7:45:16 AM PST
i have two flashes and im not totally looking to buy new ones. im only 15 and i only have a limited amount of money ive earned over the past year

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 9:35:37 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 26, 2012 9:43:54 AM PST
Tom Martin says:
The Yongnuo YN-560 Speedlight Flash is actually less expensive than the Vivitar.
The Yonguno has a higher guide number (from what I can tell).
The Yonguno doesn't look like it was designed in the '70s. (not that this is important)

edit: either flash should work with your remote trigger, but, some older versions of the Vivitar 285HV might actually damage them.
The Yongnuo Flash Speedlite Yn-460ii is even less expensive still.

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 9:59:42 AM PST
Tom Martin says:
Why isn't your current set-up 'cutting it' any more?

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 11:02:04 AM PST
i didnt mean it like that haha sorry, its just im into biking photography, and i cant keep taking just fisheye shots, and we have local dirt jump trails which are down the street from me and i shoot there all the time. the cactus's just didnt work to great there because all the trees and everything im guessing, and from distances farther than 15 feet. i like to change it up

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2012 11:03:55 AM PST
thank you very much ill check it out, i have a few things im selling that can help me get some money :)

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 11:13:30 AM PST
Tom Martin says:
Ok, so you are looking for longer range flash triggers, not new flashes?

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 11:15:13 AM PST
yes exactly, i was just checkin these ones out. these had the hotshoes on them so i thought that was perfect so i didnt have to get other things

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 11:17:55 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 26, 2012 11:23:24 AM PST
Tom Martin says:
Still check out the Yongnuo ones.

Yongnuo RF-603 N3 2.4GHz Wireless Flash Trigger/Wireless Shutter Release Transceiver Kit for Nikon D90/D3100/D5000/D7000

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 11:22:17 AM PST
btw i have a nikon d3100

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 11:24:14 AM PST
Tom Martin says:
updated the link above to the Nikon 3100 version

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 11:27:59 AM PST
ok thank you

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2012 12:10:16 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 26, 2012 12:55:18 PM PST
® says:
what's is wrong with the cactus v4? 15ft to 100ft is doable, even on the 433hz, you must have a lemon. Most of the guys on strobist.com(flickr version) said get the cactus v5 when I asked for a sub $100 set. I got the yongnuo 603 because it was on Amazon and cheaper (got 2 sets=4) didn't know about the cactus v5 (wasn't on amazon) until I ordered. The yongnuo 603 and the newer cactus v5 are now both 2.4hz, so it will give you even more distance. Spec wise the cactus series has higher sync and multichannel, I might use both of these features if I had it. I think there is a hotshoe lock on the V5, not the 603 if you want to lock it to the camera, it is all friction. The rf-603 said it can do 1/250 that is a joke, I got some banning, so 1/200 is the fastest. The V5 set is 2x the cost so of the 603 though.

Also the rf-603 has no wake up feature for some flashes like SB-700 or SB-600. My monolight is always on when I use it so it isn't a problem. I think your problem it doesn't have the range is actually the flashes went to standby mode or sleep. I have to wake up my flashes sometime. There isn't much info on the flashwave iii, what I see looks closer to a 603 then the Cactus v5 also. Might pass on this flashwave too unless it can do ttl at that price.

"In "Flash" mode, the transmiter wakes up the "sleeping" flash, just in time for firing the flash."
this is on the
Aputure Trigmaster Plus Kit (2x Transceivers) for Nikon, 2.4GHz Radio Remote Flash Trigger and Shutter Cable Release, fits Nikon Digital SLRs D200, D300s, D300, D700, D1, D2, D3x, D3s, D90, D3100, D5000, D5100, D7000. Aputure specs are more in line with the 603 then the Cactus v5, all the newer 2.4 models are transmitter (does both, not the old trigger and receiver anymore) Also the Aputure has bulb flash setting, beside the wake-up over the 603, but 2x the cost also. Sometime these cheaper brands make claim that don't work too well, so you might have to call them and see if it really does wake-up.

Otherwise you will have to take pictures every so often to keep the flash awake, when you move away from it.
The Rf-603 for Nikon works fine on my camera, just no advance features.

cactus v4 spec, I didn't see the wake up features either:
http://www.gadgetinfinity.com/cactus-wireless-flash-trigger-set-v4.html
cactus v5 spec:
http://www.gadgetinfinity.com/cactus-wireless-flash-transceiver-v5-duo.html

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2012 1:45:12 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2012 1:50:39 PM PST
thank you very much, but do these work with a vivitar 285hv??

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 2:09:26 PM PST
Tom Martin says:
Sean P. Miklovich says: . . . do these work with a vivitar 285hv??

Yes

http://shutterbugcl.blogspot.com/

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 2:36:03 PM PST
awesome thanks!

Posted on Feb 27, 2012 1:23:12 PM PST
I have the vivitar 285 HV flash (two of them), I use interfit strobies radio remotes with them, and the combination works fine and the radio triggers are cheap. I also have 2 of the yongnuo 560's, and they also work well with the interfit radio units. I got the two vivitars from an online gov't property auction very very cheap. They are tough, and you can find them secondhand for good prices. New, the two units have a similar cost, and the yongnuo is a nicer unit, but I haven't seen old YNs for sale cheap.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 27, 2012 2:34:29 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 27, 2012 2:34:58 PM PST
® says:
they should work as long as they have a hotshoe. I just think you might need a flash wakeup features, since you are far away from the flash to wake it up. I am usually close to the flashes so the rf-603 no-wake up is doable, just annoying sometime.

Posted on Feb 27, 2012 2:43:52 PM PST
yes but how far can they trigger from? i need distance, my cactus's work 15 feet and thats it. i need something with distance, not just ones that work well inside. im willing to spend as much as i need to. i really dont care anymore about cost, maybe ill just go with the cybersyncs

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 27, 2012 9:31:20 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 27, 2012 9:36:16 PM PST
® says:
Your Cactus v4 is listed to go 100ft, which you said is not true, which I won't debate. You mentioned you were on a budget so Tom recommended a good budget Yongnuo RF-603 ($30 for a pair). I mentioned it doesn't do the flash wake up, which you need since you are so far away, so the other cheaper option is the Aputure ($60 for a pair) which does according to the spec. RF-603 and the Aputure are both 2.4 ghz so it claim to have a range around 100m or 328ft, where the Cactus v4 is 433 hz (Cactus v5 is 2.4 also and 100m). I took out my rf-603 and walked about a 100ft down the street and it flashed. I would image all the 2.4ghz triggers would be on the same level.

The cybersyncs which I am not familiar with is in a different league, more like the flashwave iii and under the price range of a pocketwizard. I don't see too many features for you to overpaid for a professional trigger system vs. a $35 or 60 a set knock-off brands. The cybersync is also 2.4 ghz and in the same range. The only thing I saw different was it has a higher sync speed of 1/4000s vs. 1/200 for the cheaper models RF-603/ aputure. Is this feature useful for fast action photography, probably. Most action could be stopped at 1/200s. The cactus v4 was 1/500 and the newer cactus v5 is 1/1000sec sync speed. I didn't see anything about flash wake up, maybe not an issue for you, but I find it annoying if I am far away from my flash. Maybe your Vivitar doesn't go to sleep or standby.

I think you should asked what is the best trigger/receiver for your setup here:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/strobist/
They might not be too kind to newbies if you don't do your research first.

Posted on Feb 28, 2012 5:31:42 AM PST
Tom Martin says:
From what I read in the Vivitar 285HV manual, the no 'wake-up feature' doesn't appear to be an issue. As even when it is in battery saving mode the triggering circuit allows the flash to be fired.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000011531.pdf

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 6:53:07 AM PST
Agreed. The vivitar is a very simple flash, it doesn't go to sleep, or put itself in standby, and doesn't need a wake up signal. It doesn't do anything but flash. Simple is good.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2012 8:12:14 AM PST
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Your Cactus v4 is listed to go 100ft, which you said is not true,
"""

It's probably true if you are standing on a rooftop, and the flash is on a rooftop across the street.

It's like those FRS/GMRS radios that advertise 35 miles. Yes, if both ends are in the clear (ie, mountain tops with no trees). Toss in terrain and buildings, and even a 2W GMRS will be fighting to get out to just 2 miles (even amateur handhelds pushing 5W will have trouble going direct across town -- but put a repeater with a large antenna on a high spot, and you can hit it from miles [there's a repeater somewhere in the CA Bay Area that IDs with "... from the Sierra to the Sea..."]). Since radio flash triggers are unlicensed part-15 devices, they are likely pushing no more than half a watt.

The frequency band used also has an effect. Many (bit) city fire departments moved from the 150MHz VHF and 460MHz UHF bands to 800MHz because the shorter wavelength could pass through window/door openings in buildings easier than the long waves -- but forest? Sappy trees tend to absorb RF energy (that's how microwave ovens work -- their frequency is optimized to cause water molecules to vibrate and spin, thereby heating the water content).

Look at the range of the typical WiFi router (2.5GHz). Sitting at my desk, four feet from the router, I get a signal strength of -25dBm. Go upstairs, directly over the router (about 8 feet total), and the signal has dropped to -50dBm... a 3dB drop means /half/ the power is received; imagine what a 25dB drop translates into.
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