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Initial post: Oct 9, 2011 3:53:00 PM PDT
Geomancer says:
What's the difference (aside from looks)?

Specifically I'm looking at the PX-130 (with stand and pedal board) vs the AP-220.

Obviously the AP-220 looks a little better and has a bench, but is that all you get for the ~$200 extra? Sometimes Amazon has it on sale for about ~$100 more than the PX130 with stand and pedal board.

Looking at the specs from Casio's website I really don't see anything technical different between the two.

I'm looking for something to learn on. I know a cheaper one would be good enough to start on, but it wouldn't suffice for later. A real piano costs more than I'm willing to spend, both for the piano itself plus the recurring tunning/leveling costs. I also know a lot of people say the Yamaha's and/or Roland's are better, maybe they are, but they cost so much more they're not on my radar. Maybe I can go to one of them if I'm successful in learning it.

I could go in a real store and try them ... but I'll be honest, I wouldn't know what to look for. I use to play the alto saxophone for 7 years so I know the basic music fundamentals (how to read music, scales, keys, etc), always wanted to get into the piano though.

Thanks, I appreciate any insight you can give.

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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 10, 2011 9:33:29 AM PDT
Geomancer says:
Well, like I said, I can't play (yet) so going into a store and trying different models out for 20 minutes wouldn't serve much purpose. I know what they sound like, since I've heard them, and to my untrained ears I can't tell the difference between them, the high end Yamaha's, or a real upright piano.

I know you can get a Yamaha for under $200, but that would be of extremely limited value. No weighted keys, less than the full 88 keys, touch sensitive, all three pedals, etc etc. In other words, yes I could start on one, but I'd end up having to buy a new one when I get to the level that I need those and ultimately end up spending a lot more than just getting a higher end keyboard from the start.

I did read through that other thread before posting, but the budget they were talking about is quite a bit higher than mine.

What's a Yamaha model that's most similar to the Casio PX-130 or AP-220? Fully weighted keys, full size keys, touch sensitive, 88-keys, etc. Quick look seems to say P-155 ($1000) is closest to the PX-130 ($475) and YDP-161 ($1,500) is closest to the AP-220 ($800).

Getting a little off topic from my original question though ;) I just want to know what the difference in sound/feel is between the PX-130 and AP-220.

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Posted on Oct 10, 2011 10:56:21 AM PDT
Geomancer says:
I've looked, not garage sales as I'm usually working mornings, but craigslist and such. Most people out here want far too much for them, close to what I could buy them for here on Amazon new. I think because they may have bought them new locally so for them they are asking less than they paid, but not much less than buying online.

For a real instrument (including a piano) I wouldn't argue about a cheap new one, or a top of the line 60 year old one. But with digital, there really have been a lot of advancements in the last few years.

The two models I'm asking about ARE Casio's highest line the Privia (PX-130) line is their portable stage piano line, and the Celviano (AP-220) is a more permanent setup but more or less same electronics as the Privia.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 10, 2011 11:30:19 AM PDT
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Like I said, I've never owned a casio. But if you are patient and just happened to find a like-new yamaha or roland, I have been extremely happy with their products. Don't be so hasty to tout the "advancements" of new keyboards. A lot of it is hype. There are new FEATURES to be sure. But 99% of music technology is directed at manufacturing keyboards cheaper rather than better. This is why you might find the best of all world's in a used model. Check it out closely and search for user-reviews (such as harmony-central's website and sonicstatedotcom.) I would not use ebay unless the keyboard is within 100 miles of you and you can play it first. I realize you are a beginner but don't have your mind made up on casio. You may regret it later. Oh, and having 88 keys IS very important for jazz and classical but not so much in other genres.

Posted on Apr 14, 2012 8:12:34 PM PDT
Hello Geomancer,

I am also considering Celviano and Privia as a possible instrument for me to re-learn playing classical pieces. I visited a showroom and was able to listen to and feel AP420, but not any other Celviano or Privia. At the showroom, I liked AP420 better than Yamaha Arius in the same price range. I am curious which one you decided to purchase and how satisfied you are with it. Thank you.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 15, 2012 8:18:08 AM PDT
Geomancer says:
I ended up with the AP-220. It sounds good, my only complaint is you can definatly hear the key presses if you don't have the volume up high.

Posted on Oct 4, 2012 12:23:14 PM PDT
Seph says:
I realize this question is moot at this point since Geomancer has made his purchase, however I wanted to chime in on something...

Over the past 5 years Casio has made a lot of improvement, which I don't think Mr. Critic is aware of. As he stated himself, he's 'never owned a Casio.'

Mr. Critic's advice is still applicable if you are shopping for a higher end digital piano ($1200+) however for the sub-$1000 pianos, Casio provides the best value and sound quality in my opinion. And once you hit that higher price point, I don't see why anyone wouldn't go for a Kawai.

Just my two cents. I've done a lot of research online, and from my experience people who denounce Casios outright are usually speaking either from old experience from <2008 or so, or have no personal experience with the brand.

Again, in the >1k price range is a different story entirely.

Check out the following video for a comparison between Casio and Yamaha sampling in the cheaper range, and you'll see what I mean.

Posted on Oct 27, 2012 11:00:31 PM PDT
JJ says:
I agree with you Seph. Mr. Critics observations are completely out of date, his info sounds like it's about stuff made 10 years ago when Casio stuff was a bit cheap and nasty. The new Casio Privia and Celviano keyboards have a magnificent new hammer action keyboard, and the piano sounds aren't too shabby either, nothing like the cheap plasticy feel of the Alesis. Casio are not trying to make synths with these : they're trying to be pianos, and they've done an outstanding job. The Yamahas are good too, but you seem to get alot more for your money with the Casios. Play them, you'll see what I mean.
Beware of buying a second hand one: people want way too much money for them, thinking they're worth just a bit less than the huge amount they paid 5 years ago. Given these things are basically computers, the new ones are lightyears ahead of ones a few years old, and getting cheaper and better all the time. My new Privia is better than the old stuff I saw on ebay, and half the price people wanted. Also, be careful of second hand models used for gigs/live performances. They've usually taken such a beating that they're on their last legs.

LOL "There are reasons why experienced players go with yamaha and roland products." No they don't - they buy a real piano, or a Kawai or other high end product, and if they want a synth they get Reaktor or a Nord or something. Yamaha and Roland synths are pretty low end these days, for home use not professional recording.

Posted on Aug 13, 2013 3:55:12 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 13, 2013 4:03:52 PM PDT
Zennon Szabo says:
I love the celviano product. I bought one for classroom many years ago. Loved it! (I also had a friend who graduated from music performance program at university who borrowed it for performances when she needed to travel, so it must have been okay.) I am now looking at purchasing celviano for our home, for me and daughter to play on. (Have a Roland at my current school... not a fan... but I just like to play for fun.)
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