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Unable to play SACD on Playstation 3... no sound from SACD


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Initial post: Jul 9, 2008 7:31:21 PM PDT
My System:

New Sony KDL46XBR4 LCD HDTV

New Yamaha RX-V3800 7.1 surround receiver HDMI 1.3 compatable

Playstation 3 80 GB w/Metal Gear Solid 4 game package

Axiom Epic 500 speaker system

I have no trouble playing Blu-ray movies, regular DVD and CD's, as well as Playstation 3 games. but I cannot get any sound out of any SACD (Super Audio CD). The system acts like it's playing the SACD.... shows track tiitle, time line, wallpaper etc., but no sound whatsoever I have my HDMI 1.3 cable hooked up between the Playstation 3 console and the BD/HDDVD connector on the back of my Yamaha receiver. Anyone have any ideas where I might have gone wrong? I'm very familiar with surround A/V system hookups... yet I cannot get this combination of A/V equipment to play SACD discs. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2008 1:35:10 AM PDT
J. Berning says:
The PS3 will not play SACD discs.
The PS3 might in the future, but right now it will not play them.
IT is not related to your set up at all.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2008 4:27:58 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 10, 2008 4:29:01 AM PDT
The PS3 manual specifically states that it does play SACD discs... it even has the SACD symbol on the back of the support manual that comes with the console. BUT IN both manuals that comes with the PS3 it also specifically states that it plays SACD only through the HDMI output connector (which I have hooked up) and not the optical out connector. I suppose that, in effect, it means it will NOT play SACD discs through the vast majority of A/V receivers.... but of corse, Sony doesn't mention that in their advertisments. or in their promotions.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2008 6:30:41 AM PDT
You're right, Berning is wrong, except for 40GB PS3s but you've got the 80GB model.

HDMI is not the only output. Analog also works (for stereo) as does optical, with certain limitations. See the PS3 SACD FAQ at http://www.ps3sacd.com/faq.html#_Toc177216794

For your specific problem, check the troubleshooting section at http://www.ps3sacd.com/faq.html#_Toc177216818

If this doesn't help, try the forum there.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2008 5:00:52 PM PDT
J. Berning says:
OH, I have the 40 GB version and that will not play the SACD.

I was just going my MY booklet that came with my PS3.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 4, 2009 1:57:39 PM PST
S. Ng says:
I own a PS3 80gb and plays SACDs. I heard new PS3 will not play SACD. SACD is a dead format and Sony doesn't want to spend any money in the PS3 for SACD functionality. Futhurmore, PS3 is trying to compete in a price war with X-Box. I recommend in buying a blu-ray player that plays SACD. Good luck.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 4, 2009 2:15:55 PM PST
Some PS3s play SACDs and some don't. There are two different 80 GB models, so that isn't enough to know. The easiest way to tell, is look at the number of USB ports on the front. If it has 2 it will NOT play SACDs, the ones with 4 will.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 4, 2009 5:58:42 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 4, 2009 5:59:19 PM PST
Will Bueche says:
Joseph, SACD's licensing (which, ironically, Sony wrote) prohibits playback of SACDs through optical out. Technologically there's no reason why it shouldn't, but, they crippled the SACD format due to paranoia about theft. It is one of the reasons why SACD died. It affects all SACD players, not just the PS3.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2009 7:19:53 AM PST
GarionOrb says:
SACD support has been discontinued on the PS3.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2009 10:48:19 AM PST
In my case I bought the 80Gb model with MGS4 bundle in mid June of last year at the Playstation store in the metreon San Francisco. Both the box and the console itself had the SACD symbol on them... and Sony at the time said it would play SACD discs... and indeed
it does display SACD on my HDTV as well as the track title etc. but nothing recognizable as PCM by my receiver... a Yamaha RX-V3800 7.1 receiver. All hookups are via HDMI cable and everything else works with no problems.
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2009 12:05:49 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 5, 2009 12:08:22 PM PST
Check the setup menu in the PS3 to see what type of signal it is sending over HDMI to your receiver. It's possible that the PS3 is "bitstreaming" the DSD data to your receiver and you need to have the PS3 convert the DSD to PCM so your receiver can recognize the signal.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2009 2:13:19 PM PST
I don't think the SACD licence (which is managed by Philips, by the way) prohibits use of the optical output per se, though it might limit high-quality output to those ports that have decent copy protection (i.Link, HDMI). Output of DTS 5.1 from SACD via optical has been proven possible and is apparently only held back because of a money issue.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2009 2:49:12 PM PST
I just checked the Bitstream vs. Linear PCM setting has no affect on SACD playback (I don't believe the HDMI chip in the PS3 could even support raw DSD; since it can't do TrueHD or MA). SACD is always output as 88.2 kHz Linear PCM in either Stereo or Multi-channel.

I would double check that your receiver supports that mode, but the RX-V3800 is a pretty massive receiver it really should support it even if it is a bit odd of a sampling rate.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2009 3:39:50 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 5, 2009 3:58:33 PM PST
Joseph

I just read online that the PS3 won't bitstream DSD audio via HDMI. It converts to PCM at 176.4khz/24bit and sends that over HDMI. Your receiver will need to accept PCM input at that resolution to hear SACD. Otherwise, if your PS3 is running software v2.00, you can use the optical connection and the PS3 will convert multichannel DSD to multichannel DTS at 48hkz.

http://www.ps3sacd.com/faq.html#_Toc177216801

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2009 4:17:41 PM PST
From the page Rushead linked, this one sounds plausible:

I'm trying to play an SA-CD through HDMI but my receiver gives no sound and no error message either.

If you've got a TV set/monitor/display connected to your AV receiver via HDMI i.e. you've daisychained your PS3, receiver and screen, the PS3 may be confused by the audio capabilities the TV set communicates downstream via HDMI. Disconnecting the screen may help but that's probably not a very pleasing solution. Alternatively, you can pass video through analog cables and audio through HDMI. That's not recommended for movies and games as this may cause audio and video to be out of sync but for navigating the UI to see if it solves SACD playback it's no problem.

Switching the video output down to 480p may also work in some cases, according to users' reports.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 23, 2009 8:08:37 PM PST
Brad Borne says:
I have an Onkyo 606, and playing around with the audio settings does some pretty weird things. Multi-channel SACDs only play out the back when it's in 172khz, unless it's set to direct or stereo, instead of multichannel.

Setting the video to 480p forces all the surround audios down to 41khz, so that might be why that works...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2009 1:18:37 PM PST
I'm not sure if the Onkyo accepts anything over 96khz in surround. I do know that over HDMI (with all devices, not just the PS3) the audio bitrate is proportional to video so you may try setting your PS3 to 720p to see if it does 88.2. It's worth a try at least.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2009 2:01:46 PM PST
Brad Borne says:
Yeah, it goes over 96khz, just only in direct or stereo mode. Mine was playing 172khz just fine, but the way I had the speakers set up, direct mode wasn't going to sound very good.

720p's not going to do anything there... the HDMI cable should have enough bandwidth to do 1080p with 7.1 audio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Versions

"It supports up to 3.96 Gbit/s of video bandwidth (1080p60 Hz or UXGA) and 8 channel LPCM/192 kHz/24-bit audio.[14] HDMI 1.1 was released on May 20, 2004 and added support for DVD Audio.[14] HDMI 1.2 was released August 8, 2005 and added support for One Bit Audio, used on Super Audio CDs, at up to 8 channels."

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2009 9:56:32 PM PST
You're right, the HDMI cable can support the bandwidth but the audio output is proportional to the video so the more you up the video resolution, the higher resolution audio you should get out of the PS3. It sounds like you need to play with the listening modes on your Onkyo to see what works. I had to do the same with my Onkyo 705.

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In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2009 7:25:19 AM PDT
Are you talking to yourself?

Posted on May 25, 2009 1:06:49 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2010 2:51:04 PM PST
Steven is right...to say that you can not output a SACD via toslink/optical is crazy. When SACD's came out, HDMI wasn't here yet. I thought Sony and Phillips did that hence the term s/pdif

Posted on Jan 5, 2010 3:05:56 PM PST
GarionOrb says:
SACD support was removed from the PlayStation 3. No PS3 can play them now. This happened with firmware 2.0, I believe.
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