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I'm curious. We seem to be liberalizing the culture, government, etc. more and more, little by little. What does the end goal look like? The ideal liberal state and culture is what...?


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Initial post: Apr 18, 2009 10:00:49 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 19, 2009 12:26:10 PM PDT
I'm seriously interested...

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 5:56:50 PM PDT
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Posted on Apr 18, 2009 5:59:17 PM PDT
Mark Time says:
What does Christmas have to do with anything?

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 6:03:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2009 6:05:37 PM PDT
Religious songs at school concerts. Religious themes on public property. That kind of thing, especially around the holidays. Is it desirable? Is it allowable?

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 6:05:03 PM PDT
Mark Time says:
Did Bill O'Reilly start this thread? Is Coulter coming?

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 6:06:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2009 6:08:25 PM PDT
I'm here only to ask and read. I will NOT flame-throw, troll, or whatever. There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding and exaggeration. I would just like to clear things up, nothing more.

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 6:21:20 PM PDT
Mark Time says:
Well, it reads like you have some sort of christian agenda, but I can't tell what it is.

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 6:21:24 PM PDT
Porcelain says:
Maybe it would look like John Lennon's song "Imagine".

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 6:27:46 PM PDT
DEEZUS says:
In my opinion, expressing your religion in the workplace is fine, it shouldn't be company policy, though. Wicca could be considered on par as Christianity, as in, they are allowed to express themselves as Christians are. You can display ten commandments at your desk, but it shouldn't be company policy. Manger scenes and the like, again, can be displayed at your desk, but not as company policy (Christmas cards aren't a problem, as they are quite common and aren't considered rude by most). I'll take any work holiday, only an idiot doesn't want the day off work. No regulation of the topics allowed at church (separation of church and state). No regulation of religious topics allowed in public (separation of church and state). Religious contributions, like any other charitable donations are tax deductible, why wouldn't they be?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 6:29:51 PM PDT
I have no agenda, that is just where I started. We can start with monetary policy, economics, tax rates and philosophy, and that sort of thing if you like. I am asking for the sake of gaining knowledge.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 6:32:17 PM PDT
Thanks for the reply.
"Religious contributions, like any other charitable donations are tax deductible, why wouldn't they be?"
I'm not taking a position, just asking a question. Thank you again.

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 6:38:17 PM PDT
MisterTee says:
I support sustainability. Most of our modern support systems are not sustainable in light of the reality of peak oil.

Food is a great example - on average, any given item you buy at the supermarket has traveled 2500 miles. That is not sustainable, period.

Our pestcides & fertilizers are made from hydrocarbons. We use hydrocarbons in every process of growing the food, processing the food, packaging the food and delivering the food.

We use 10 calories of hydrocarbon energy DELIVERING each calorie of food to the end-user. That does not even count the energy used to prepare it !

Not sustainable, period.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 6:40:45 PM PDT
Certainly some good points there. Thanks for the reply.

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 7:41:02 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2009 8:31:27 PM PDT
Ponger says:
Well our founding fathers only gave white male property owners the right to vote and slavery was OK. Over time the progressive movement freed blacks and gave them and woman the right to vote. Note that it was not out of the goodness of the heart of the ruling class, woman and blacks fought for this right as gays are now for the right to be married. So one of the goals should be to allow people to live the life they want as long as it does not hurt others. The case for personal property is strong, but should a wealthy family control millions of acres of land and a poor family afford none? And then just pass it along to the next generation. While we do need to maintain a system that promotes hard work and talent, we also need to keep society from simply being the dog eat dog rule of the jungle. That is why we need a balance of capitalism and socialism.

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 7:45:53 PM PDT
Kilgore says:
i see the future of the u.s. more tolerant of individuals and their differences... i also see religious intolerance being prosecuted through the legal system.... the right wing fundies will have to go underground because they will be viewed as a threat....
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 7:50:32 PM PDT
mightymike says:
Hi, Ponger.
Good work.
mightymike

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 7:57:17 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2009 8:03:04 PM PDT
Just so I understand, not trying to accuse you of something you didn't say or don't mean, what are you saying here:

"i see the future of the u.s. more tolerant of individuals and their differences... i also see religious intolerance being prosecuted through the legal system.... the right wing fundies will have to go underground because they will be viewed as a threat...."

I'm not trying to trap you, just looking for clarification. I can read what you said a couple of different ways.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 8:58:47 PM PDT
Ponger says: Well our founding fathers only gave white male property owners the right to vote and slavery was OK.
Please check this out Ponger
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/digital/jay/JaySlavery.html
John Jay was a founding father.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism
your facts are a little skewed.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 9:16:40 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2009 9:18:50 PM PDT
Kilgore says:
hate crime legislation will become a issue in the future.... yes you heard me correctly.. extremism of any type won't be tolerated in the u.s. in the near future... the antics of certain christian groups will be seen as a threat to the stability of the american way of life....

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 9:17:05 PM PDT
Ponger says:
Sorry John,
But John Jay was not a founding father in my book. In fact, I never heard of him and I doubt if many outside of NY have. For a list of the true founding fathers who wrote and/or signed the US constitution see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_signers_of_the_United_States_Constitution
The point of my post is not skewed at all.
Best wishes,
Ponger

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 9:32:50 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2009 9:33:26 PM PDT
Ok, so I'm clearer now. When you said "religious intolerance", what you meant was intolerance perpetrated by the religious and at some point in the future, what will be defined as intolerance BECAUSE of religion will or should be made illegal and prosecuted, specifically, some beliefs espoused by fundamentalist Christian groups. Thanks for the reply and the clarification.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 9:45:02 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2009 9:46:40 PM PDT
Ponger says:
Sorry John,
But John Jay was not a founding father in my book.
I beg to differ Sir he very much was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States
He also was a major contributor to the federalist papers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Papers
In no way shape or form would I insult you or contradict you out of ignorance.
I look forward to some lively debate
John Jay
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Ethan Allen
Egbert Benson
Richard Bland
Aaron Burr
George Clinton
Patrick Henry
John Jay
Henry Knox
Henry Lee III
Thomas Sim Lee
Robert R. Livingston
John Marshall, the fourth Chief Justice of the United States.
Philip Mazzei
James Monroe, Continental Congressman and fifth President of the United States, the last of the "Republican Generation"
James Otis, Jr.
Thomas Paine, who went on to champion the French Revolution in his Rights of Man. He was elected to the National Convention and helped to write the constitution of France.
Peyton Randolph, President of the First Continental Congress
Dr.William Rickman, first Director of Hospitals of the Continental Army.
Gilbert du Motier, marquis de La Fayette French Major General, originally a volunteer, who was vital for the correspondence to and persuasion of France to support the Revolution.
Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben, the German-Prussian General who reorganized the Continental Army and guided it to victory.

Posted on Apr 18, 2009 9:57:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2009 9:59:39 PM PDT
Ponger says:Over time the progressive movement freed blacks and gave them and woman the right to vote.
This is not factual.
Abolitionism was a movement to end the slave trade and emancipate slaves in western Europe and the Americas. The slave system aroused little protest until the 18th century, when rationalist thinkers of the Enlightenment criticized it for violating the rights of man, and Quaker and other evangelical religious groups condemned it as un-Christian.
the progressive movement>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era

John Jay

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 9:58:33 PM PDT
If you are interested, what beliefs or actions should be illegal and what would the punishments be? What in your view makes these beliefs threatening to the stability of the country? Should fundamentalists be allowed to run for office or teach school? Thank you in advance.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2009 10:07:52 PM PDT
James A. Sours says:If you are interested, what beliefs or actions should be illegal and what would the punishments be?
James this may prove of interest to you.
http://www.gotquestions.org/separation-church-state.html
John Jay
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