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Initial post: Feb 15, 2012 2:48:12 PM PST
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J. Potter says:
The congressman that represents my district (not *my* congressmen), John Sullivan, has introduced HB 4033, the ...

Giving Local Communities a Voice in Tribal Gaming Act of 2012

A tribe bought some land in a very Red neighborhood here, which makes it tribal land, and has proceeded to build yet another casino on it. The locals love casinos, but prefer them NIMBY (of course!). Good ol' Johnny, being a good panderer, wants to represent their interests. So he wants to create a process by which communities can attempt to block casinos.

Soooo, a Republican wants to let locals tell sovereign corporates what they can/can't do on their own land? This doesn't sound very free market to me! Sounds like some Randian moochers come to life!

http://sullivan.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=280535

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 2:50:34 PM PST
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I miss W says:
Sounds more like you never read Atlas Shrugged.

<shrug>

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 2:53:05 PM PST
Is his full name John George Armstrong Sullivan?

is he too stupid to know that the tribes just front this stuff, and behind them are the same forces that have ALWAYS been behind gambling in this country?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 2:59:52 PM PST
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J. Potter says:
Only 3 times. What part about gov't interference in private business do you not recognize? Gov't allowing other interests to dictate the use of property? Whether or not facilities can be built?

The analogy would only be more perfect if Mr. Sullivan had referenced "fairness" or "equality" in his bleeding-heart legislation.
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 3:02:00 PM PST
I assume you finally had the sense to pluck out your eyes after that?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 3:02:57 PM PST
J. Potter says:
It's like a trashy b-movie.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 3:05:47 PM PST
I miss W says:
Just that it's an incredibly weak comparison you're making. Proof that even after reading the book three times, you didn't retain much of the content, nor understand what was going on.

Other than that, this topic is WONDERFUL.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 3:09:48 PM PST
..and the stupid blond who runs UPSTAIRS when she hears the noises from the basement EVERY TIME. DONT YOU KNOW THAT YOU WILL GET TRAPPED UPSTAIRS? Get out of the house!!! GET OUT NOW!!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 3:13:23 PM PST
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J. Potter says:
I agree, some Republicans, electors and elected, are hypocrites, and laughably so, which is the point of this thread.

Here's your chance to prove your point by explaining "what was going on" in Atlas Shrugged.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 3:19:15 PM PST
freedom4all says:
Potter, just curious, have you read 'Atlas Shrugged' the book, not the poorly made movie?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 3:23:29 PM PST
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J. Potter says:
Have you read this thread? It isn't very long. Yet. No, have not seen the movie. Happy to know you were able to recognize it as 'poor'.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 3:23:44 PM PST
You mean the poorly written book, niot the poorly made movie.

Among other things, like being a failed human being, Ayn Rand is also an atrocious novelist.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 3:29:57 PM PST
I miss W says:
If you'd actually read the book, you'd know it was about a United States that's become a dystopia in which politicians cater to the do-nothing Moochers by increasing taxes and regulations on those who actually produce value. The result is that the producers refuse to be raped quietly and simply disappear from society.

"John Galt" ring a bell?

Your OP comparison is like noticing the inevitable shortages when Apple's upcoming iPad 3 are sold out and saying it's Nineteen Eighty-Four happening before your eyes because they had shortages of razor blades in the book.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 3:35:44 PM PST
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J. Potter says:
Yes, I know what the book is about and already acknowledged that it is not a perfect, soup-to-nuts analogy. Perhaps with some thought you can deduce why i choose to make the analogy anyway.

It would be a better OP if I bothered to check out his contributions. If existing casinos are lining his pockets, that'd be sweet. If he were fighting the other way, trying to put traffic caps on existing casinos in order to give this new startup a boost, that would make the analogy perfect.

John Galt would build his casino, tell the neighbors to go hang, and spit on Sullivan's bill, after 20-pages of moralistic windup.

Now, do you have any comment on Mr. Sullivan's market-fudging legislation, which is the subject of this thread?

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Grim says:
Potter, just curious, have you read 'Atlas Shrugged' the book, not the poorly made movie?

I guess you draw a clear distinction between the badly written, tedious book and the poorly made movie of the badly written, tedious book?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 6:13:05 PM PST
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freedom4all says:
Potter, as you have not seen the movie or read the book, how can you know anything about them either one really? The movie was poor as in both productions of Dune (by Frank Herbert) were poor substitutes for the novel.

Both novels are classics but a bit long. Gault's speech needed a good editor, but with Rand that was impossible. Frank Herbert should have ended the Dune series on the second book, but the man being a genius is allowed his ramblings.

Posted on Feb 15, 2012 7:04:19 PM PST
Stupid Book!
Harry Potter is closer to Reality!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 7:39:50 PM PST
J. Potter says:
Sorry, John, but I have not yet subjected myself to the poorly made movie. I do want to see it, but not interested in paying any $$$ to do so. I do believe that given a budget, and a talented production staff, Atlas could make an excellent film. Stylish noir, soft sci-fi, like a great twilight zone episode.

Yes, if the story is taken too seriously, it has all the makings of many a terrible flick.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 7:46:19 PM PST
J. Potter says:
F4A, again, are you *reading* this thread? Why keep insisting I haven't read the book? My well-worn copy, purchased new in 1995, is right here. Are you unable to believe that someone who has read would fail to be in awe of its warts?

I do love how its mythology has infected the right .... particularly the fantasy that a pirate robin hood is out there, recollecting all your income taxes, and holding them for you in gold. All you have to do to collect is to turn your back on the human race.

Silly reds, I posited my analogy because the title is like a dog whistle to just the sort of people that need to have their noses rubbed in the kids of hypocrisy Republicans peddle everyday.

Not a single comment on Mr. Sullivan's bill? I take it you all approve?

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M. Daniel says:
J. Potter says: "This doesn't sound very free market to me!"

Can anybody else build a casino in a neighborhood or is it only Indian tribes? Is so, it is already more of a monopoly than a free market.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 8:26:57 PM PST
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J. Potter says:
Finally, some points about the bill!

TS, you'd be surprised, zoning varies widely from place to place. A few cities have no zoning whatsoever.

Can tribes put a casino wherever they want? Here, yes, if they own the land.

Yeah, i get the impression the movie was very sanitized. Which is a shame. I stand by my assertion there's a great epic in there. Not the kind of story that will please everybody no matter how well told. But what movie does.
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