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Alcohol vs guns?

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Initial post: Dec 18, 2012 7:59:20 AM PST
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david says:
In reaction to the horrible tragedy that occurred at Newtown there are renewed calls for the limitation of guns. Guns have multiple uses: hunting, self defense and target/sport shooting. Also, it is cover under the 2nd amendment. There are between 10,000 and 11,000 deaths per year attributed to guns, a large portion are suicides.

Alcohol has one use: entertainment. According to msnbc, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/#.UNCQo4bWHBY, there are 75,000 deaths per year attributed to alcohol. That is 7.5 times as many. There is not a Constitutional amendment protecting booze.

Where is the outrage against alcohol? Why isn't there a call to severely limit drinking?

I personally don't know of anyone who has been effected by gun violence but I know many people who have had their live effected by alcohol, including my cousin who was literally cut in half by a drunk driver.

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:02:27 AM PST
Cap'n Crunch says:
We tried that once before. It didn't go so well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_movement

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 8:04:48 AM PST
OldAmazonian says:
There's no call to ban drinking alcohol because we've seen what that did last time it was tried. Now we'll have the opportunity to see what a ban on certain firearms can do.

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:08:09 AM PST
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Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:08:44 AM PST
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Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:10:29 AM PST
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AlChemE says:
Sorry for your loss, David. I think we should make drunk driving illegal. Oh, wait, it already is.

By the way, if you use "effect" as a verb, it means to bring about or make happen. So, in essence, you said you know many people whose lives have been brought about by alcohol (which I suspect is true, in a way).

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 8:12:19 AM PST
D. Caswell says:
The reason that politicians are taking about gun control is to cover-up the fact that government does absolutely nothing to protect children in schools.

Since government takes no responsibility to ensure anyone's safety people buy handguns.

Rather than discuss government incompetence politicians give speeches talking about how much they care -- even though they do nothing.

Rather than another wasted attempt at gun control vote for something brand new: Government Accountability.

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Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:16:05 AM PST
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David Nguyen says:
A gun's only real purpose is killing, be it animals or other people. We could do away with guns and it wouldn't affect me one bit.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 8:20:31 AM PST
david says:
until someone comes into your home at night with a knife and you have nothing to defend yourself with. What are you going to do? call the cops? I hope your intruder can wait several minutes until they arrive. Good luck with that.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 8:20:45 AM PST
I really have to agree with this. The idea behind the rights to bear arms has to do with keeping government in check. Government uses emotional times to try and take away our rights. I despise that.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 8:23:26 AM PST
To access our school, just walk in, go into the office to check in. There is no locked door into the school from the office. And, I've seen teachers open the windows, prop doors open during recess, and so on. It negates the security.

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:24:35 AM PST
B-Jak says:
Do you really think your stockpile of guns are going to amount to diddly if it comes down to you, your family and a few friends if you actually have a showdown with the US government? And just what are you doing that would draw that kind of attention anyway?

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:25:17 AM PST
David Nguyen says:
If a guy comes into my house at night while I'm sleeping with a knife, a gun isn't going to help me. Because I'll be sleeping.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 8:29:12 AM PST
A. Hong says:
If someone's stupid enough to break into my home with a knife, they'll be met with a much longer weapon, a sword or a composite bow. But I speak for myself.

The point is, people are more inclined to commit crimes under the safety of a long distance, projectile weapon. They would think twice if their only option is a 6inch melee weapon.

What is also concerning is since criminals have no respect for the law to begin with, they'll find other means to procure firearms while us law abiding citizens have a much more difficult time.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 8:32:38 AM PST
A. Hong says:
Criminals will still have guns, regardless of how you want to get rid of them. As long as something is circulating, it is obtainable through certain channels. The advantage will be to those who don't abide by the law.

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:36:43 AM PST
Dave says:
we dont need more gun control what we need is idiot control. if guns are banned tell me how criminals are going to follow this ban? They wont. If guns are responsible for killing people then i blame silverware for making obese people fat. No one can ever just accept the fact that people will do what they want and will do some dumb stuff. No incident like this can just be attributed to a psyco that wanted to kill himself but do it in a way that everyone would talk about it. If some lonely guy shot himself in the basement itd maybe make local news. this guy went on a shooting spree so everyone would se it. The guns are NOT to blame its the psyco that used them to kill. Anyone can kill another person or several people without a gun. Blame the psyco individual not the tool used to commit the crime.

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:37:34 AM PST
David Nguyen says:
There are other countries with much tighter gun laws that have made it work. If we can't do away or even impose stricter gun laws without people getting their panties all up in a bunch it really says a lot about our country (and none of it good).

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:41:28 AM PST
AlChemE says:
Actually the whole "criminals will still have guns" is a rather trite and, frankly, stupid response. What criminals are you talking about? Maybe organized crime rings will still find ways to arm themselves, but not necessarily the average "criminal" who is robbing a convenience store or someone's home to get some money for drugs. And not the mentally disturbed person who decides to go on a shooting rampage at the office, school or whatever.

I'm not a huge gun control advocate, but I think there can be some responsible controls put on gun ownership, beyond those that already exist. But I see dumb statements on both sides of the issue.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 8:46:26 AM PST
A. Hong says:
Name the countries that impose such gun laws with verifiable statistics to prove they work.

Then we can also see what else that Country restricts or allows. If such country has restrictions on women rights, should we adapt that too? If such country rules under dictatorship, should we do that as well? Keep in mind that things occur through a combination of many things and not just one single thing. To just accept one thing out of a country without analyzing everything else it does, or doesn't do, presents a premature conclusion that it will work for all other countries.

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:47:21 AM PST
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Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:48:31 AM PST
The Big V says:
My brother has been robbed 2x by a man weilding a gun, he has never been robbed by someone weilding a can of Bud Lite.

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:51:44 AM PST
Dave says:
Think about this... what if one person had a conceiled carry regardless of the fact that its illegal to carry on school grounds? a couple shots would have gone off then the person with the conceiled draws and shoots the shooter in less than a few minutes. gunman down only maybe 3 or 4 people dead?????? mayhbe more honest good people should be carrying dont you think? A shooter walks into a place such as a school or movie theatre that says no guns allowed knowing damn well that NO ONE THERE WILL HAVE A GUN!!!! All he has to do is go shooting and its like shooting fish in a bucket with no water. Now lets just say I was in there with my CCW as soon as the first shot is fired im already reaching for my gun and ducking behind something. second shot fired im coming up and am sighted in to the shooter. there is no 3rd shot because I have eliminated the shooter. c'mon people think with your heads your trying to fix a problem by attempting to fix something that has nothing to do with the problem. There will always be weapons weather it be a pistol or a knife or even a baseball bat and there will always be psycopathic people out there that just dont care and wanna go out with a bang weather its shooting up a school or blowing up a homade bomb or any other way they may think of.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 8:55:27 AM PST
A. Hong says:
Then you're not very knowledged in how the world works, in the dark. Did you forget about gangs, which we still have plenty of? They have easy connections to drugs. Where do you think the drug dealers get their supply? And for drug dealers, if they can smuggle and sell drugs, they can (and have) smuggled and sold various weapons on the streets. Gangs will have access to them. Then, for people who seek such illegal merchandise, can obtain them from gangs at a premium. Anyone with the right amount of money can obtain heavily controlled items. This will not change, but the value of those items will.

There are many average joe criminals right now who cannot obtain a gun through legal channels because of their background check. Yet, there are those who still get guns. Keep in mind there are various reasons why people go out of their way to get guns, and it's not only for the sole purpose of breaking into someone's home to rob. Being a criminal also comes with risk against other criminals. They also procure weapons to protect themselves, and their drug stash. So while they have that weapon, they have an advantage over us.

If you're unaware of how the underground world works, it's silly to call other people dumb, isn't it? Because the same can be said about you.

And these details come from my experience working alongside public safety personnel. ie: Fire Fighters, Law Enforcement, Medics, etc.

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 8:56:31 AM PST
David Nguyen says:
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