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Trayvon Martin case

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Posted on May 18, 2012 5:12:19 AM PDT
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Posted on May 18, 2012 5:17:40 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 18, 2012 5:20:37 AM PDT
You can't go around starting fights and then pull out a gun when you're getting your butt kicked. Period.

Everbody, including black males have the right to peacefully go from point A to point B without being stopped, confronted and hassled. Zimmerman started something he couldn't finish and then the coward pulls out a gun and executes the young man.

btw- head wounds bleed a lot, I've seen more blood from a popped pimple. To call this young person a "drug using street thug" is pathetic and racist, just what I would expect from Mary E. (nice pic, lol) I guess any highschooler who's used pot is labeled this way? Sad.

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 5:23:51 AM PDT
Jeff says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 11:02:43 AM PDT
tonyS says:
Emotions and unsubstantianted "facts", rumor, innuendo, and opinion are mostly what's here.

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 11:07:03 AM PDT
Stoneking

when you are flat on your back with someone sitting on you slamming your head in the pavement <this is Zimmerman and eyewitness's accounts> it is a little difficult to aim carefully...

shots to wound are incredibly difficult to make in a life and death situation <the only time you should be shooting anyone> and proposing that someone should "Shoot to wound" is silly at best; most of us have never BEEN in a life and death situation and the adrenaline is so high you are lucky if you can steady your hand enough to get a straight shot at all!

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 11:13:54 AM PDT
Trust me...

Your logic that you keep reporting is NOT entirely true....

the 911 operator NEVER told him not to confront him.. the 911 operator said "We don't need you to do that"

we don't need you to.. and do not are VERY VERY different.
if you want to read the transcript it is here.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 11:20:33 AM PDT
Sarah says:
Law enforcement teaches you to shoot for center of mass you have watched too many cowboy movies if you believe anyone trained in enforcement is going to try to just wing you.

Posted on May 18, 2012 10:18:47 PM PDT
Trust Me says:
Read the Neighborhood Watch manual, Raymond. NW participants are instructed not to approach. They are told not to be armed. Read the entire transcript posted. Dispatch says "we don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman says "ok." That indicates he assents to the direction. They discuss where Zimmerman will meet the police. Everything indicates Zimmerman understood he should not approach or follow.

Yes, my argument would be stronger if dispatch had said "don't follow him," but Zimmerman had been involved in NW a while and no doubt understood standard NW policy.

Posted on May 18, 2012 10:56:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 19, 2012 10:52:38 AM PDT
oldchuckles says:
The "so-called child" Trayvon was asking for trouble by wearing a hoodie in a gated community. Only burglars wear hoodies and walk around at night with Skittles and ice tea. Also, Trayvon was high on marijuana that night. Don't ever forget that Trayvon was currently suspended from high school because this druggie was caught with marijuana in his backpack while at school. Where did Treyvon get the money to buy all this weed?

Zimmerman was the captain of his neighborhood watch patrol. He was only doing his duty to protect people's homes. Someone had to stop Trayvon. Zimmerman was the man who ended Trayvon's criminal career once and for all. Children and seniors can now come outside their homes without fear that the doper Trayvon will rob them to pay for his weed.

Posted on May 18, 2012 11:03:46 PM PDT
M. Carson says:
Zimmerman made a mistake following this guy, Zimmerman made a mistake even having a gun. Zimmerman does come across as at best over zealous. I have no idea what initiated the confrontation or what form it took, maybe that will come out, maybe not. What upsets me is the maniupulation of the news, protraying Martin as a young, fresh faced little kid just buying skittles, when clearly this is not accurate. He was a big kid in (we can argue about the fairness some other time) "gang" type clothing, maybe on drugs, maybe not, clearly a drug user. Did Zimmerman confront him, did Martin turn and react to being followed? Don't know. A whole lot of very powerful people have staked their credibility on Martin being "hunted" and butchered by a racist. As the facts come out slowly, this seems less and less likely. It seems plausible the initial confrontation did not include the gun (assuming Zimmerman would not get close enough or allow a person to beat the heck outta him while holding a gun, ready to fire). So this smallish man approaced a 6'2" kid in "gangish" clothing? Maybe he did, maybe not. But so far I think the case will hinge upon who is on the 911 tapes yelling for help. If its Martin, Zimmerman is in trouble, if its Zimmerman, it helps his case and I would not be suprised if he walks. I fully anticipate "experts" telling us its both at some point in the trial. The state truly messed up charging 2nd degree murder. I can't possibly see how that will be proveable if Zimmerman was getting beaten for 30 seconds before he fired from point blank range the killing shot. Reasonable doubt in this case (barring other clear evidence) seems obtainable. Zimmerman = stupid for approaching a larger person who he has no idea if he as just a kid or an armed thug. Martin = wrong person in wrong place at the wrong time, OR someone who went off when someone approached him. Confusion favors the defendant, but sadly, the hype and manipulation before the facts were presented almost ensure violence and additional tragedy no matter how this plays out.

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 11:46:11 PM PDT
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Posted on May 18, 2012 11:53:41 PM PDT
The liberals have already decided that Zimmerman is guilty of being a member of the wrong group. Why do we need a trial or care about evidence? Respecting Zimmerman's rights is politically incorrect and will get you banned from the New York or Los Angeles cocktail party circuit.

In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2012 12:05:27 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 19, 2012 12:07:26 AM PDT
Elo says:
"how do you know that Zimmerman was flat on his back?"

1) Lacerations on the back of Zimmerman's head.
2) Witness says so.

"And audio experts confirmed that is Trayvon yelling for help"

1) Audio experts have also "confirmed" that it's Zimmerman yelling for help.
2) Witness (see above) says it's Zimmerman yelling for help.

"Trayvon was likely beating George (if that's how George got the wounds) out of fear."

Complete conjecture.

In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2012 12:17:10 AM PDT
Elo says:
"What upsets me is the maniupulation of the news, protraying Martin as a young, fresh faced little kid just buying skittles, when clearly this is not accurate. He was a big kid in (we can argue about the fairness some other time) "gang" type clothing, maybe on drugs, maybe not, clearly a drug user."

17 years old, over 6 feet tall, a football player used to tackling people. (Zimmerman's about 5 foot 9.) Martin was also caught recently putting up graffiti at school, and jewelry and a burglary tool were found on him. Makes you wonder about the burglaries in the complex before Martin's death.

Posted on May 19, 2012 2:48:08 AM PDT
Trust Me says:
oldchuckles, I sincerely hope (and assume) you are being facetious.

No matter what side of this thing you are on, you all have to admit this is a tragedy. A teenager dead and a man's life in ruins.

In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2012 3:07:53 AM PDT
Maybe your adding to the statement regarding the "intermediate" distance. And a 2in powder burn was around the bullet entry (Idk that is factual or not, since I've not seen that in the news). However, you write "read the news b4 u post," are u kidding? Every single news outlet states the intermediate range from the medical examiners report, you schmuck. YOU need to read/watch/hear the facts before signing on and spouting off at a post that is factual. Now, financial advisor, from where are you citing your comment? It's obvious you haven't been reading the news.

In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2012 4:13:59 AM PDT
elcuervo says:
to all of you...this is the same story avery time an african american dies on the hands of a white man,they allways bring the black and white issue,

In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2012 4:54:34 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 19, 2012 9:39:21 AM PDT
R It's a similar story line to be sure, but why is that? Because our country is plagued with racism and has been for more than a century. I mean, it was only 56 yrs ago that the Brown v BOE verdict was/had to be handed down by the SCOTUS. How sad is that that after President Lincoln abolished slavery a separate but equal doctrine was practiced? What a farce, so one-hundred years later people are excluded from taking a major piss in a convenient, clean "whites only" lavatory because their ancestors happened to live for centuries in a hot ass-climate that the body adapted to with darker skin pigmentation at the surface to combat melinoma, etc. etc? I mean, and I hate the use of this word, but, REALLY; only certain races could eat, drink, sleep and defecate together while excluding all others not like themselves? It's disgusting, frankly. It's truly unfortunate that a young man's life has been taken for obstensibly simply eating some skittles while walking home. Sanford, FL, is located in an area of Florida that has many small-minded, racially biased residents. That area of the USA is considered the southern most border off the "deep south." And while Zimmerman may have been getting his are handed to him, that does NOT justify killing a kid that looks like he could be anyone's kid. Kill or be killed, that is the question. And I don't think Zimmerman's life was ever in question.

Posted on May 19, 2012 4:58:39 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2012 8:32:23 AM PDT
Elo says:
"Because our country is plagued with racism and has been for more than a millennium"

Racism has existed throughout history, throughout the world.
Also, Columbus discovered America 520 years ago, so I'm not sure where your "more than a millennium" statement comes from. Unless you're talking about the "racism" and bloody conflicts among different Native American tribes before Europeans got here.

In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2012 8:45:21 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2012 8:47:57 AM PDT
SanPa says:
Not to justify the shooting, but have you pondered the concept of clarity in a firefight?

Posted on May 19, 2012 8:51:35 AM PDT
We all have Neighborhood Watch Programs where the Police use people to do the policing to blame for this.Many other senseless acts of violence and intimidation are not being reported!

In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2012 9:37:52 AM PDT
Oops, ur correct, I meant century not millennium. As far as Columbus discovering America, that is widely debateable.

Posted on May 19, 2012 10:16:49 AM PDT
Jackie G says:
The fact is, a *child* was killed while walking home from the store. Think about that- picture your teenager. Heck, picture your teenager's scumbag friend if you think this kid was a "thug." He still didn't deserve to be harassed and shot to death while walking home. Who the kid was doesn't change the fact that he was killed while walking home. Not while committing a crime, while walking home. I don't care if this kid was a crack dealer, he should be able to walk home without being harassed by an over-zealous stranger.

We don't have enough of the facts to condemn Zimmerman for the killing. But we do have enough of the facts to know that there should be a trial, following thorough investigation. At best Zimmerman made a series of poor decisions based on prejudices (age, race, clothing choice, etc.). At worst, he murdered a child. It will take months, maybe years to figure it out. In the end, only Zimmerman knows what really happened, if he can remember it clearly.

(BTW - the witness who heard Zimmerman screaming for help has since recanted and says he doesn't know who was yelling, just that one of them was.)
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