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Should the Libertarian Party replace the Republican Party?

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Initial post: Nov 7, 2012 11:21:38 PM PST
The Republican Party seems to be an obsolete Party.

The 'religious extremists' seem to be a large faction of that Party and are not in step with mainstream Americans.

There also seems to be a 1950s style 'racist' element to that Party that most Americans don't subscribe to.

If you removed those two groups from the Republican Party, would have the Libertarian Party.

Wouldn't it be easier to re-group under the Libertarian banner,...and leave the Republican Party to the religious types and those that have a racial bias?

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 11:23:09 PM PST
Rhea D. says:
The Libertarian Party might want to start by getting more than 1.5% of the popular voice first.

(seriously, even I am disappointed that Gary Johnson got such a poor vote tally.)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 11:29:14 PM PST
Roger says:
No, the Republican party needs to nomiate more experienced, trustworty candidates. Someone who can get the job done AND appeal to his/her audience.

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 11:43:01 PM PST
The Republican Party is really two parties in one. It's a coalition of religious extremists and one-percenters.

If there was a successor, it would have to be two parties that each had relatively little influence. They're hopelessly attached to each other in a marriage from Hell in the current setup.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 11:46:35 PM PST
Rhea D. says:
the only decent one I can think of is Joe Scarborough. All the other Republicans are so unappealing (and I don't just mean physically).

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 12:06:33 AM PST
Hillary 2016 says:
"Should the Libertarian Party replace the Republican Party?"

Only if libertarians decide who they are and what they stand for. I see no difference between Richard Wright and a Neo-con Republican, so until they find an ideology they all share, I'd say NO. One confused all-over-the place party should not be replaced with another.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 12:28:50 AM PST
Axiomatic!!! says:
Richard's not a libertarian, no matter how much he says it.

Posted on Nov 8, 2012 12:39:29 AM PST
Shain Edge says:
Libertarian is generally defined as Socially Liberal and Economically Conservative.

Socially Liberal in that Libertarians believe that as long as you are not directly causing the harm of others, you have the right to do what you will.

Economically conservative in that Libertarians believe that you should have complete ownership of your property, without others having the ability to take it from you. You may choose to give it away, sell it, or keep it your sole property, as you choose.

It seems like a very simple pair of rules to live by, and pretty much covers all the rights you need.

Libertarianism is not Anarchy. There is a place for _limited_ government, along with the taxes to run it within its boundaries. Those boundaries are generally to protect the country from foreign invasion and protect the rights of the people within the borders. Extending this protection along the lines of protecting yourself from your own actions is not what Libertarians want, nor is it part of the Constitution.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 12:55:50 AM PST
Hillary 2016 says:
There is no general consensus on the precise definition of libertarianism. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines libertarianism as the moral view that agents initially fully own themselves and have certain moral powers to acquire property rights in external things.[1] George Woodcock, author of a history of libertarianism, defines it as the philosophy that fundamentally doubts authority and advocates transforming society by reform or revolution.[2] Libertarian philosopher Roderick Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives.[3] According to the U.S. Libertarian Party, libertarianism is the advocacy of a government that is funded voluntarily and limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.[4]

Libertarian schools of thought differ over the degree to which the state should be reduced. Anarchistic schools advocate complete elimination of the state. Minarchist schools advocate a state which is limited to protecting its citizens from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud. Some schools accept public assistance for the poor.[5] Additionally, some schools are supportive of private property rights in the ownership of unappropriated land and natural resources while others reject such private ownership and often support common ownership instead.[6][7][8]

Some political scholars assert that in most countries the terms "libertarian" and "libertarianism" are synonymous with left anarchism, and some express disapproval of free-market capitalists calling themselves libertarians.[9] Likewise, many libertarian capitalists disapprove of socialists calling themselves "libertarian".

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 1:26:26 AM PST
Shain Edge says:
That is how I, and the majority of people I have talked to view the Libertarian angle. It's how I understood it when Ron Paul ran for President as Libertarian. It's how I feel it is the truest version of Libertarian as I understand it.

Of course there are many people who call themselves libertarian, and are actually authoritarian. A libertarian stands for Liberty.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 2:18:03 AM PST
Yes, yes it should. The LP unfortunately is so poorly run by its party leadership that it seems incapable of taking advantage of all the millions upon millions of disenfranchised voters on BOTH sides of the ail and getting those voters to vote for even a great candidate like Gary Johnson. I honestly don't understand the issue here. Romney and Obama were two honest to god TERRIBLE candidates. The one betrayed his ideals when he became President to push forward more Bush like policies, while the other was Romney. I mean, honestly, did 99% of the population really think one of these two was the best choice for President?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 2:20:28 AM PST
Bo, please get this straight right off the bat so I won't have to say it again.

Richard Wright is NOT a libertarian. Every actual libertarian on this board, be it me, Panther, Freedom4us, Chaz, whoever, has called him out MANY a time and asked him to stop using the term libertarian when really he's just a neo-con/teabagger. Its embarrassing, and harms actual libertarian ideals because it fools people that don't know he's being fictitious not unlike yourself (no offense). He may want you to believe he is but that's only because calling himself a neo-con doesn't really jive with people these days.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 2:27:10 AM PST
Chuckles says:
YES! The libertarian party is true to the conservative mantra. It is not contaminated with the moral entrepreneurs that have infected the Republicans. It is not contaminated with war hawks that love to practice cowboy diplomacy. Libertarians are all that is good about the conservative movement. That includes individual freedoms, states rights, and smaller/smarter government with fiscal responsibility.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 2:27:18 AM PST
All those definitions are pretty much true of American libertarianism, though there are many variations like right libertarianism (the LP, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, myself and most libertarians here) and left libertarianism (Jill Stein and the Green's, and Fryfan here on amazon). Those there's no true set definition, in the US libertarianism is generally accepted to mean someone who is socially liberal, fiscally conservative, non interventionist in foreign policy, and wishes to restrain government power.

Now, Green's are libertarian esqu but have a fundamentally different view on freedom. They believe in POSITIVE freedoms as opposed to negative ones. Negative freedom means you have the right to X Y and Z (life, liberty, property, etc) and once those are protected it is entirely up to you to do with as you please. Greens believe in positive freedoms, which means that government should provide an environment where your basic needs are also taken care of so you could further your own freedoms better, like universal healthcare and free higher education. The problem I, and other right-libertarians see in this is that it requires the government to take away from one individual to give to another forcefully, sort of like requiring you to pay charity. Since we reject force and fraud on principle, we cannot accept this kind of policy. Though I've come to accept Fryfan and most Green's as being mostly libertarian, esp on their views on civil rights and foreign policies, though they would not be my first choice.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 2:32:34 AM PST
Chuckles says:
You can thank the propaganda spread by the conservative think tanks, and the likes of the Koch bothers and Super PACS that spread lies and misconceptions about both Obama and about voting for Gary Johnson. There were a lot of Gary Johnson voters who were convinced that a vote for Johnson was a vote for Obama--what a load of nonsense! It took a special kind of person to stand up to the onslaught of personal attacks and vote for Johnson. It takes backbone to be different and to vote your convictions. When Republicans realize that, they will join ranks with the Libertarians...the real conservatives in America's political arena.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 2:36:18 AM PST
Chuckles says:
Richard Wright is NOT a Libertarian. How many Libertarians does it take telling you that to have it sink through. Some real Libertarians are Jimmy Dean, The Panthor, and myself. We remained true to the cause throughout the onslaught of Republican arm twisting and propaganda.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 2:39:42 AM PST
Indeed true. Richard Wright is a neo con and nothing more.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 3:07:17 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 8, 2012 3:08:31 AM PST
Bubba says:
Gary Johnson is a Republican; he was a Republican governor of New Mexico and he was in the 2012 Republican presidential primaries. Gary Johnson didn't call himself a "Libertarian" until after he lost in the Republican primaries.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 3:59:44 AM PST
DCSports says:
Completely wrong. I can't believe how many liberals are pushing this 'racist' script lately.

Keep in mind that an incumbant president BARELY won, getting only 2.3% more of the vote, than a candidate that even liberals view as watered down.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 4:00:49 AM PST
DCSports says:
lol -- really? Why do your posts consistently reflect liberal talking points?

Posted on Nov 8, 2012 4:27:58 AM PST
Brian Curtis says:
I'd welcome a sane opposition party. Once we have two major parties agreed on individual liberty and separation of church and state, we can have a sensible discussion on the proper role and extent of government power in both corporate and domestic arenas. Libertarians are people I can respect even as I disagree with them; the religious right, not so much.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 4:28:45 AM PST
I've been a registered Libertarian for over 22 years, and frankly, I don't think that most Republicans would make good Libertarians. There are too many war hawks and social conservatives among Republicans. I don't want them messing up my party. It wasn't that long ago when a group of neo-cons tried to stage a coup of the Libertarian Party. Never again, I hope.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 5:57:19 AM PST
Ron Paul is the standard barer for libertarians and he's in the Republican Party. I'm a registered Republican but hardly ever vote Republican. Just because someone is a Republican doesn't mean they are not libertarians. Libertarianism is a philosophy, not a party, its just convenient that we have a party as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 6:00:54 AM PST
Bubba says:
Ron Paul is a Republican libertarian, he is also against the reproductive rights of women and Marriage Equality.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 6:04:59 AM PST
He's for states deciding those issues. Where he stands personally on the issue means nothing as he would merely allow states to decide for themselves.
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