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Elizabeth Warren has the same amount of Cherokee blood as their current chief


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Initial post: May 17, 2012 9:01:41 PM PDT
Amazing how the usual suspect has created a half dozen OPs on Warren's Indian ancestry without mentioning the basic fact that she has the same exact amount of Cherokee blood as the current chief.

Now remember this, and see how much mileage the right is trying to make on this false smear. And the thing is that it has been pointed out to them that Warren's claim to her Cherokee ancestry is as solid as their current chief. They know this and yet they continue to spam the forum with their childish shots at her.

Why does Elizabeth threaten them so? Is an intelligent women so alien to their experience, so threatening? How long until they create a birther fantasy about her as well?

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/04/elizabeth-warrens-birther-moment/

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 10:05:20 PM PDT
How come nobody is talking about Romney comparing his father's story to those of countless other immigrants who have come to this country seeking economic opportunity.

Romney's great-grandfather, Miles Park Romney, fled the United States and crossed into Mexico in 1885 to escape religious persecution. He helped build the Mormon enclave of Colonia Juarez in Chihuahua.

Miles Park Romney never became a Mexican citizen, and neither did his son, Gaskell, or grandson, George. They were all denied Mexican citizenship because statutes on the books in Mexico denied that right to American settlers and their offspring.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/12/opinion/romney-hispanic-roots/index.html

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 10:08:33 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
She doesn't have a Certified Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) from the Bureau of Indian Affairs, so she's not Indian.

I'm sympathetic to her plight in being white and applying for good jobs. She had to lie to get where she is. That's the Affirmative Action/EEOC/Indian Preference racial profiling which is government policy in hiring and advancement.

Without a CDIB, however, she lied.

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 10:20:37 PM PDT
I don't think it because Elizabeth is intelligent, I think it is because they can't find anything else. Any group that starts complaining about success and linking race looses credibility even if the point is valid. Personally, I'm not sure there is much thinking just "test the waters " strategies.

My great grandfather was named Lightfoot, he served in the Union Army and died in an influenza epidemic in Norfolk. All of our attempts to find record of him, for genealogy, have failed as most of the record of his army service were lost in a fire. I've often considered jumping through all the hoops to claim my heritage just because I'd like to know. I have high cheekbones and no one would look at me and think, especially with fair skin, that I am native american. My Mom, on the other hand had an olive complexion as does my brother -- both would find it easier.

I hope that the republicans stop this, and the dems never start. The problem is that "negative ads" work :-(((

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 10:25:52 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
It's not the Republicans who created the system of racial quotas that Elizabeth Warren was contending with, Reed N.D.Dark, and I agree with you that it's a counterproductive system. In fact, it's racial profiling pure and simple.

To qualify for "Indian Preference," however, you have to have a CDIB. I have no idea exactly what "Indian Blood" compared to "Caucasian Blood" or "Asian Blood," but it's not a policy I've ever supported either. Hiring ought to be on the basis of merit. We shouldn't discriminate against applicants on the basis of race.

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 10:35:57 PM PDT
VRWC says:
Except that even the 1/32nd claim has been debunked.

Not only is there no evidence she has Cherokee blood.... and the Boston Globe has retracted their claim that there was.... there is now solid evidence that the woman she THOUGHT was Cherokee was, in fact, married to a militia member who helped round up the Cherokees for the Trail of Tears....

Boston Globe Retracts Claim That Marriage License Shows Warren's Great Great Great Grandmother Was Listed As Cherokee

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/05/15/boston-globe-retracts-claim-that-marriage-license-shows-warrens-great-great-great-grandmother-was-listed-as-cherokee/

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 10:42:56 PM PDT
John,

I understand the need for the CDIB, and I don't need it to claim that my heritage --- I need it for my nation of give me rights within the nation, or to tell me I have no rights, but it does not change that that is my heritage.

Legally, I would certainly need to prove that if I were to use that status, although I don't recall any employment query asking me anymore than about my ancestry - no one ever asked about certification of such a thing.

Is there documented proof that she was asked about her ancestry and requested it be used as a minority preference. Or did they not ask correctly and she did know she needed the CDIB. Until recently, I was not aware of it which is why I haven't thought about doing anything but research with the BIA, and now the Native American Museum. It was the museum that told me about the certification, and even then they said it was required for voting and property rights within the community.

My college asked me what "race" I was I checked several. The form was suppose to be for demographics only, of course.

Employers after asked, after the fact. I did have a employer ask a third time, everyone --- the form was different they asked whether we were claiming a particular "group" as "preferential" --- they used another word, that I don't remember. I wasn't so I don't know if there would have been paperwork to follow, my guess is yes there would have been.

Until I'm convinced that she knew that she was asking to qualify for "Indian Preference" and she knew that additional documentation was needed I'd guess both parties are at fault. The employer for being perhaps afraid to ask for fear they wouldn't fill a quota.

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 11:02:30 PM PDT
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Posted on May 17, 2012 11:28:58 PM PDT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/higher-education/dem-us-senate-hopeful-in-mass-didnt-claim-minority-status-on-law-school-file-application/2012/05/10/gIQAHaPkGU_story.html

Posted on May 17, 2012 11:36:00 PM PDT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/elizabeth-warren-says-shes-native-american-so-she-is/2012/05/04/gIQAn31z1T_story.html

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 11:36:28 PM PDT
VRWC says:
No worries... This is more amusing than important.... But Warren is a clown if ever there was one....

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 11:51:45 PM PDT
VRWC,

A well educated clown. I'm confused why a marriage license application is nonsense and a marriage license isn't? Couldn't both be fiction, or neither?

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 12:10:09 AM PDT
VRWC says:
We have an abundance of well educated clowns.... Completely devoid of common sense.... Running this country already. Not sure why we need another.

It is my understanding that the only "evidence" of warren's native American heritage comes from a family newsletter mention of a marriage application.... And that said application itself can't be found by genealogical experts.

That might be enough to get her on a casino payroll at Foxwoods, but hardly anything beyond that.

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 12:37:13 AM PDT
VRWC,

Actually, probably not. There is a lot more information needed.

I'd hate for someone to tell me that I was not Native American simply because documents had been destroyed or were difficult to find. I'd also be annoyed if I had not requested the "status" and yet was seemingly being called a liar. One day, I may find enough paperwork, but whether it is acceptable in a political campaign, or should have ever been considered does not keep me from the fact that I have a Native American heritage. And even if I were denied acceptance into a tribe for the purposes of inheritance would not change that. In fact, the museum told me that it might be difficult to renounce the property rights of the land I probably own and cannot be sold because all of the ancestors have not been located. I was told that knowing the percentage would give me the property rights, but there are other information is needed too. I was led to believe that at no time would I be told that I was NOT Native American solely because I did not qualify for property rights.

I haven't looked up what the affirmative action requirements are, I'll read them if you want to post them. But I don't see any better proof that she applied for, or received minor preference than you have that she is not Native American. Is there any documentation that she received preferential treatment? Of course, I'm not willing to accept anything but court documents -- no newsletters, no directories --- just an official document ------------ a document she signed that went to whoever collects the affirmative action counts under the program would be perfect!!!

I don't care if she is useless ---- argue that not something that has substance. Surely she gave a lecture about banking that someone can "show" her "leanings" toward "corporate greed". Not that she parked her car illegally when she was 16 ....

Or, I have a novel idea, how about telling me why her opponent ought to be in the Senate? Compare ideas, compare ideals, compare experience. Please not 1040s!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 1:31:55 AM PDT
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VRWC says:
Is there any documentation?

I have no idea and don't care enough to look since Warren refuses to have her application released for the public, but I do know this...

Harvard law school has never... Ever.... Accepted a professor who did not graduate from a top ten law school.

Warren graduated from Rutgers.... Law school rank #82....

If you want to believe that she earned this unique appointment based upon merit, you are welcome to do so.

But don't expect the rest of us to be quite so gullible.... Especially since her most notable accomplishment at Harvard seems to be nothing more than getting a job there.

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Posted on May 18, 2012 2:15:38 AM PDT
It couldn't be that the big money men are running a smear campaign against a Senate candidate who openly supports regulating Wall Street to the eyeballs, could it? I mean, right-wingers wouldn't fall for anything that transparent, would they?

Posted on May 18, 2012 2:19:15 AM PDT
Liz [Fauxahontas] has ZERO chance of taking the now-firmly-Republican-held former Kennedy owned(?) Senate seat from Mass.

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 2:20:24 AM PDT
MisterTee says:
Yet another brokedick prediction from the unbelievably-extreme RW.

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 2:25:12 AM PDT
I'd wager Warren will win. Even Scott Brown's erstwhile supporters have been grousing about his lackluster (and surprisingly un-Tea Party) performance in the Senate.

So you should accept the friendly wager, if you're sincere in the belief that Warren has ZERO chance of victory.

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In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 6:07:34 AM PDT
I'm confused by VR's, and the blog he cites, attack as well since the Globe 'correction' states 'The document, alluded to in a family newsletter found by the New England Historic Genealogical Society, was an application for a marriage license, not the license itself.'

So the scandal is that the information about her Cherokee heritage was found in the application for a marriage license and not the license itself?

At worst Warren was misled by family lore, something Marco Rubio could tell you about, and oddly the right isn't getting hysterical about Rubio basing his identity around family fibs....

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 6:36:00 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 18, 2012 6:38:01 AM PDT
Applying affirmative action to even more extremes would result in people like me playing the PGA Tour. How dare they discriminate against me because I can't shoot 66 at TPC Sawgrass? It has to boil down to my genes and not my level of commitment, after all.

Posted on May 18, 2012 6:37:45 AM PDT
The supposed flight of Rubio's parents has been at the core of the young senator's political identity, both before and after his stunning tea-party-propelled victory in last year's Senate election. Rubio - now considered a prospective 2012 Republican vice presidential candidate and a possible future presidential contender - mentions his parents in the second sentence of the official biography on his Senate Web site. It says that Mario and Oriales Rubio "came to America following Fidel Castro's takeover." And the 40-year-old senator with the boyish smile and prom-king good looks has drawn on the power of that claim to entrance audiences captivated by the rhetorical skills of one of the more dynamic stump speakers in modern American politics.

The real story of his parents' migration appears to be a more conventional immigrant narrative, a couple who came to the United States seeking a better life. In the year they arrived in Florida, the future Marxist dictator was in Mexico plotting a quixotic return to Cuba.

...In a brief interview Thursday, Rubio said his accounts have been based on family lore. "I'm going off the oral history of my family," he said. "All of these documents and passports are not things that I carried around with me."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/marco-rubios-compelling-family-story-embellishes-facts-documents-show/2011/10/20/gIQAaVHD1L_story.html

Oh dear me, guess we'll need to start a half dozen threads about this now, eh?

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 11:15:44 AM PDT
VRWC says:
You're really clutching at straws here as Rubio never got a job as an affirmative action hire by falsely claiming that his parents left Cuba post as opposed to pre Castro.

I can sympathize with Warren.... and Rubio.... for believing family lore.

But what makes this story ridiculous is that a middle class white woman would use the 1/32nd Cherokee story.... true or not.... to get a job at all in the first place.

The whole idea behind affirmative action is to benefit minorities historically discriminated against. If you have one shred of evidence that Warren suffered even a scintilla of discrimination due to her Cherokee blood I'm all ears.... but you won't, at least in part because there isn't a whiter looking woman in America, high cheekbones or no.
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