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Why We Fight: Because GOP Wants To Keep Viviette Applewhite from Voting


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Initial post: May 5, 2012 10:04:15 AM PDT
ignatov says:
Go, Granny, go!

"Applewhite, who is 93 and uses a wheelchair, became the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit filed here in state court by the ACLU and the NAACP challenging Pennsylvania's new law requiring voters to produce a driver's license or other photo identification before they are allowed to vote.

Applewhite says she has voted since 1960, when she cast her first presidential ballot for John F. Kennedy. But she doesn't have a driver's license. And since she has been unable to obtain a birth certificate from the state, Applewhite says, she will not meet the law's requirements and therefore will be barred from voting in the Nov. 6 presidential election."

http://articles.philly.com/2012-05-03/news/31539365_1_voter-id-bill-carol-aichele-pennsylvania-elections

Posted on May 5, 2012 6:31:01 PM PDT
if she were actually born here there would be no problem in getting the certificate

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2012 6:47:35 PM PDT
Chuckles says:
93 years ago records keeping was not what it is today and many people were born in their own homes possibly with the aid of a midwife if they were fortunate--only hospitals kept records of birth. Just as late as my days, I wasn't required to get a social security number until I was old enough to get a driving learner's permit. Nowadays people are issued social security numbers at birth. Just how old and informed are you whomper? Maybe you need to get out of your mother's basement once in a while and look around.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2012 6:48:50 PM PDT
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Posted on May 5, 2012 7:01:32 PM PDT
2/2 Tango says:
I was born in my great-grandmother's house in a very small southern town in 1946 - all one's parents had to do to get a birth certificate was notify the County - provide the name and birthdates of the parents - place of parents birth - mother's maiden name - and name of a witness to the birth. It has a seal of the State and everything.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2012 7:07:01 PM PDT
Chuckles says:
Ha! So you are a pro soccer ref who lives in his mother's basement. Good for you.

Posted on May 5, 2012 7:12:08 PM PDT
Mark Time says:
A pro soccer ref in this country?

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In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2012 8:54:33 PM PDT
She was probably born @ home and the birth was never registered or the courthouse where it was registered burned down.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2012 8:55:16 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 5, 2012 8:56:44 PM PDT
But, not all births were reported and registered. In my early days working in welfare, we had to use family Bibles as birth verification, but, I am sure, that is no longer allowed.

Posted on May 5, 2012 9:02:15 PM PDT
Lettuce Prey says:
Well this definitely means we shouldn't join the rest of the civilized world and require ID's for voting.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2012 9:28:32 PM PDT
Lonya says:
My father didn't have a birth certificate.
When he applied for a passport decades later he dug out his father's naturalization papers that list him as 1 year old at the time of his father's naturalization. That was sufficient to get the passport.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2012 9:46:25 PM PDT
ignatov says:
Many people like Viviette Applewhite will be disenfranchised by ridiculous, unnecessary ID laws, if the GOP has its way. Can anyone point to even a single case of voter fraud that would be corrected by the new laws?

Posted on May 5, 2012 9:48:02 PM PDT
When my husband and I were getting our marriage license, we had a difficult time getting his birth certificate. The Ellsworth town office had burned down in 1960, along with almost all of its records. We had to request the records from the hospital in Bar Harbor where he was born. It took weeks for them to find those records.

So for people with records that are even older, I cannot imagine how difficult that would be to meet the requirements for ID's.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2012 11:22:13 PM PDT
ignatov,

We haven't found one in the other forum. Actually most state only require that you state you are a citizen and prove address to register to vote. And that isn't changing, so we are probably adding more than we are theoretically stopping on the end.

For some in PA, you can state that you have no photo-id and state, as I remember that you have religious objections, and vote. This 93 year old can't even get a non-photo id, because she needs a birth certificate which as others have pointed out may never have been recorded. Years ago I, too, remember bibles being used to get births recorded. In other case you could get 2 people that were there when you were born to swear you were you ---- I always did think that law wasn't totally thought out!

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2012 11:25:27 PM PDT
Leonard,
<<When he applied for a passport decades later he dug out his father's naturalization papers that list him as 1 year old at the time of his father's naturalization. That was sufficient to get the passport.>>>

And if the passport is still valid he can probably get a photo id, if not naturalization papers are listed but I think they have to be yours. (Yep, I left out if he is still living ---- haven't seen that in the law:-))

In reply to an earlier post on May 6, 2012 1:30:42 AM PDT
Actually not true. The Social Security people run into this problem all the especially with minorities in the South. Until the forced integration of all public facilities hospital births were the exception not the rule for minorities in the south. Many of the births were not registered by the midwives. Many others are in the same situation especially if they were born in rural areas.

In reply to an earlier post on May 6, 2012 1:34:21 AM PDT
Disenfranchisement is the whole idea. Kind of like getting the franchise back after a felony conviction. Much easier if your white than if you are a minority in these exact same states.

Posted on May 6, 2012 3:49:27 AM PDT
God bless the old gal but many older folks do not like adapting to change.

In reply to an earlier post on May 6, 2012 3:54:04 AM PDT
I miss W says:
Oh, so we've finally found out what will make a Liberal fight! If only our enemies used wheelchairs, then more Libs would volunteer to serve America.

Thanks, iggy!

Posted on May 6, 2012 4:00:31 AM PDT
avande7217 says:
"Go, Granny, go!"

Don't Forget the ACLU that initiated the lawsuit on her behalf...

Not sure if this will help Granny (And Others, No Doubt)
BUT (it appears)
There are several "outs" in the Pennsylvania bill that should allow her to vote
EVEN IF
Her current litigation is unsuccessful.

Found this-

"WHAT HAPPENS IF I CAN'T AFFORD TO GET A PHOTO ID FOR SOME REASON?
If you come to the polls in November without a photo ID because you couldn't afford to get one (e.g., you couldn't pay $10 for an official birth certificate),
*you will be allowed to vote by provisional (paper) ballot. In order for your provisional ballot to count, you have six calendar days after the election to provide your county Board of Elections with an affirmation that states that you are the same person who cast the provisional ballot, and that you cannot afford to obtain proof of your identity.*
You can do this electronically, by mail, by fax - or you can show up in person at the Board of Elections" (emphasis mine).

http://www.seventy.org/Elections_Voter_ID.aspx

My sense is that
With a modicum degree of persuasion (that Granny no doubt has, lawsuit and all)
AND
An affirmation that "She is who she says she is"
(already in the present law)
She will be able to
Remain franchised
Even without picture ID.

In reply to an earlier post on May 6, 2012 7:53:51 AM PDT
'Disenfranchisement is the whole idea.'

Precisely, and it's always Republicans trying to take away the vote of people who overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. It's not rocket science, certainly the people pushing voter suppression know what they are doing, the victims know why they are being disenfranchised...and yet conservatives demand that we pretend otherwise...

Posted on May 6, 2012 8:24:46 AM PDT
Ze'ev says:
I do feel bad for her but my question is how did she cash any checks for the last 50 years, also does she receive SS and medicare.

In reply to an earlier post on May 6, 2012 8:25:35 AM PDT
DEEZUS says:
If she's been going to the same bank for the last 50 years, they probably know who she is. It's easy to cash a check that way.
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