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Initial post: Jul 15, 2012 2:02:31 PM PDT
Polish officials unveiled a statue of former President Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II on Saturday, honoring two men widely credited in this Eastern European country with helping to topple communism 23 years ago.
The statue was unveiled in Gdansk, the birthplace of Lech Walesa's Solidarity movement, in the presence of about 120 former Solidarity activists, many of whom were imprisoned in the 1980s for their roles in organizing or taking part in strikes against the communist regime.
The bronze statue, erected in the lush seaside President Ronald Reagan Park, is a slightly larger-than-life rendering of the two late leaders. It was inspired by an Associated Press photograph taken in 1987 on John Paul's second pontifical visit to the U.S.
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Reagan and John Paul shared a conviction that communism was a moral evil, not just a bad economic system. And Lech Walesa, founder of the Solidarity movement that led the anti-communist struggle in Poland, has often paid homage to both men and told the AP in a recent interview that he deeply respected Reagan.
"Reagan should have a monument in every city," Walesa said.

Posted on Jul 15, 2012 2:04:41 PM PDT
C. Scanlon says:
wrongly credited

Poland honoring wojo and ronnie
why is this so funny?

not high on the IQ . . .

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 2:06:18 PM PDT
C. Scanlon says:
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Posted on Jul 15, 2012 2:07:39 PM PDT
"Reagan should have a monument in every city," Walesa said.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 2:14:48 PM PDT
C. Scanlon says:
he knew who was funding him and how, just like the whole Firewall: The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover-up thingie

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 2:33:17 PM PDT
Did they name a urinal after him?

If so, I'm on a plane tonight! ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 2:34:00 PM PDT
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Brian McGregor says: "Reagan should have a monument in every city,"

I have one in each bathroom.

It's where I leave my morning Brian McGregor...

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 2:45:22 PM PDT
C. Scanlon says:
YeS!!

Posted on Jul 15, 2012 2:52:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 15, 2012 2:55:22 PM PDT
Reagan's in

A Collection Of Pop Classics

Posted on Jul 15, 2012 2:57:38 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 4:03:27 PM PDT
Typical for a bagger - late and lame.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 4:19:06 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 15, 2012 6:15:07 PM PDT
For the record: Solidarity was organized as a direct result of President Jimmy Carter's Human Rights Campaign, and the grim Dec. 1981 military coup in Poland took place under Reagan. Where is Carter's monument?

Edit: 1991 corrected to 1981.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 4:20:34 PM PDT
C. Scanlon says:
thank you, Dom

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 4:33:37 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
Reagan was the 40th President of the United States (1981-89).

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 4:35:31 PM PDT
C. Scanlon says:
the reagan terms were really the papa bush CIA terms with a smiley face

then papa bush ran his CIA military adventures unconcerned about public perceptions, even under the Iran COntra revelations

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 6:18:28 PM PDT
I corrected my typo: the grim military coup in Poland occurred in 1981--under pressure from the Soviet politburo in response to the counterproductive rhetoric of the Reagan administration.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 6:27:18 PM PDT
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Pope John Paul II played a key role in the collapse of the Politburos that ruined the Soviet Bloc. It is truly ironic and unfortunate that, at the same time, he also reinforced the politburo-type governance of the Catholic Church. In the early 1990s, in an op-ed piece in The Hartford Courant, the distinguished American theologian Rev. Richard P. McBrien exposed the fact that John Paul II had been conducting a "prolonged, slow-motion coup." This coup involved some deplorable backtracking on Vatican II, "the disciplining of theologians," and "the packing of the hierarchy all over the world with institutional hardliners."

Under John Paul II, the widespread disciplining of scholars and theologians included the theologians Jacques Pohier, Hans Kung, Philippe Denis, Charles Curran and Marciano Vidal; the Nicaraguan priests Ernesto and Fernando Cardenal; and the advocates of liberation theology Gustavo Gutièrrez, Leonardo Boff, and Bishop Bartolomé Carrasco Briseno.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 1:51:51 AM PDT
Poles honor those who helped them throw off their leftist shackles:

"Poles also remember that when the communist regime imposed the martial law crackdown in 1981, rounding up dissidents and imprisoning them, Reagan lit candles at the White House to show his solidarity with the Polish people.
"When Reagan lit the candles, we knew we had a friend in the United States," said Czeslaw Nowak, a former Solidarity activist who was imprisoned for his activism in the 1980s. He leads an organization of former imprisoned dissidents that worked for about four years to raise 200,000 zlotys ($59,000) for the statue. The money was collected from former Solidarity members, many of whom are today living on small pensions and could only afford the smallest of donations.
Another member of the organization, Andrzej Michalowski, credited Reagan's arms race with Moscow with leading to the unraveling of the Soviet Union and its inability to keep controlling Eastern Europe. He said the monument was designed on a small scale so visitors to the park would feel John Paul and Reagan are still with them."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h3glgQegLiHzifenlUzIxZywSdaw?docId=111bba15824646cfa898e2345f1b3294

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 4:45:21 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 16, 2012 4:45:50 AM PDT
Brian McGregor wrote: <<Another member of the organization, Andrzej Michalowski, credited Reagan's arms race with Moscow with leading to the unraveling of the Soviet Union and its inability to keep controlling Eastern Europe.>>

Mikhail Gorbachev, not Reagan, is the one who deserves to be honored for the emancipation of Eastern Europe.

On 9 or 10 Nov 1999, The New York Times published a long front-page article, "Haphazardly, Berlin Wall Fell A Decade Ago."

The fourth paragraph stated: "Virtually nobody predicted the fall of the Berlin Wall, and apparently nobody planned it. At its most sensitive point, the Soviet empire imploded, undone by economic decay and by Mikhail S. Gorbachev's renunciation of the force ultimately needed to hold it together."

The article discussed the events of the summer of 1989--triggered when Hungary opened its border with Austria and leading to a mass exodus from East to West Germany, by car, through Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Austria--and the role of Harald Jaeger, an East German who had been a guard at the wall for 28 years. A few days prior to 9 Nov 1989, Jaeger had received orders prohibiting the use of force. On the evening of 9 Nov, during a televised press conference, politburo member Gunter Schabowski announced that citizens of East Germany were free to travel "without special permits," and that this new regulation would be effective "immediately."

Because of the subsequent confusion and great crowds, shortly after 11:00 PM, Jaeger gave the order to open the gate at Bornholmer Strasse.

The Soviet Union was bankrupted during the 18-year rule of the Brezhnev cabal. In my opinion, Reagan just happened to be president at the implosion. He and Star Wars had very little to do with this implosion. Moreover, the incoherent foreign policy improvised by Reagan and his courtiers was a complete boondoggle for which we are still paying a very heavy price.

Posted on Jul 16, 2012 4:58:01 AM PDT
freedom4all says:
Ludwig von Mises explained in 1920 the failings of a socialist system and their ultimate failure. The collapse of the Soviet Union and China's adoption of market economics confirms that socialism cannot compete against a market system.
Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 6:15:29 AM PDT
Did von Mises predict the massive financial swindles of the banksters?

Posted on Jul 16, 2012 8:19:28 AM PDT
freedom4all says:
Domenico Rosa says:
Did von Mises predict the massive financial swindles of the banksters?

f4a: Fraud and stealing have always existed. What is knew about that?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 9:22:22 AM PDT
f4a: Fraud and stealing have always existed. What is knew about that?
DR: What is new is the staggering magnitude.
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