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Dalai Lama reveals warning of Chinese plot to kill him


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In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 10:18:29 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
Then you are in favor of Mt Rushmore, New York, and much of the USA being returned to Native American Indians? I am sure the answer is, "No." Likewise, you know that's not going to happen with strategic resource rich Tibet. Our treatment of Native Americans was as blemished but now has greatly improved.

The reality is Tibet has had a complex relationship with China for centuries. I learned from reading the citation below: that even Buddhism in Tibet probably came from intermarriage with a Buddhist princess from China. With the reign of the Mongols that Buddhism in turn gets transmitted to the conquerer, humanizing Kublai Khan, who established the Yuan Dynasty.

It gets messier after that with the Chinese actually at times *reinforcing* the rule of the Dalai Lama's and defending the monasteries from invaders and looters and at other times and other centuries taking it over. Rinse and repeat ...it gets still messier and more bloody than today. BOTH Tibetans and Chinese went back and forth in killing off Dalai Lamas based on politics in the 19th century. The relationship with the most recent Dalai Lama happens to be a bad one. Some others had much better relatioships.

The British also conquered Lhasa and controlled parts of Tibet for a while. India has claimed parts what Tibetans claim too. But like American Indian lands never reverting, those lands are now firmly entrenched. And like Native American experience, today it is hard to call the relationship abusive or to say Indians are forced to give up their identity. The native Americans I know mainstream but directly trace back their culture and ethnicity and are proud of that part of themselves.

Following seems like a pretty balanced and well-written article by a historian, PhD candidate.
http://asianhistory.about.com/od/china/a/TibetandChina.htm

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 4:54:34 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 13, 2012 4:55:33 AM PDT
freedom4all says:
Intrepid's post: Do Italian Americans fear loss of their identity? No, they are proud to be Americans AND Italian and keep significant religious, cultural, and family traditions very much alive.

f4a: Oh I didn't know the American conquered and then made Italy part of the US? Or are you talking about something entirely different?

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 3:48:13 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
Time magazine years back. Kings and king equivalents do expect to be treated special. Many do add to evidence that power corrupts; absolute power is even more fun adage.

If all is vanity in the red dust things of this world and all striving on this plain of existence pointless, why is anyone upset?
Om (rice)... om (rice)...

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 3:30:19 AM PDT
Axiomatic!!! says:
Just relaying the story. Other than the test, I don't know much about his youth, and I'd be conscious of where the info comes from. The Chinese have waged a war of disinformation against him for decades. I do know that with all the Chinese have done to his homeland, he has never spoken ill of the Chinese with the exception of the current accusation. His behavior, in my opinion, is consistent with the bodhisattva.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 3:19:58 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 13, 2012 3:28:03 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
Compassion? If you read about how he treated people in his youth, he sounds more like the Donald.

The recent Dalai Lama has said it is up to the Tibetan people to decide whether to continue with the institution. He has also said that his replacement should be from an area not controlled by China. But If they try to install a new Dalai Lama (actually a generic term) who is pro India, that would result in direct conflict and probably greater repression.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 3:18:43 AM PDT
Axiomatic!!! says:
The DL can renounce his title, but the people know that he's still the bodhisattva of compassion. His fear is that the Chinese will try to place a pawn in his place after his death. Its complicated, but essentially after his death, he will reincarnate again and the monks will go search for him. Its at that point he believes the Chinese will try to put in a pawn.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 2:53:07 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
He renounced title and is essentially retired. Maybe potential assassins trained for an anti-secession contingency 15-25 years ago. Now, why would they bother? He may, however, feel he is losing relevance.

With the strategic minerals in Tibet worth > $100 billion, including chromium, copper, and tin, they aren't going to let it go. It actually is not all bad for Tibetans: Economically it is a boon. Culturally they fear assimilation. But that may be unfounded. Do Italian Americans fear loss of their identity? No, they are proud to be Americans AND Italian and keep significant religious, cultural, and family traditions very much alive.

Initial post: May 13, 2012 1:55:01 AM PDT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/tibet/9261729/Dalai-Lama-reveals-warning-of-Chinese-plot-to-kill-him.html

Now's the time to do it ... HC might send a strongly worded memo if Tiny Tim will let her.
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