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Gutsy call? Not at all. Former Attorney general Says Kill-Osama Memo Was "Heavily Lawyered" To Throw All Blame on Admiral McRaven If It Failed.


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In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 8:39:45 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 7:36:06 PM PDT
I just numbered them 1 and 2
Everything above that was mine. Everything after
"Here are his two responses:" are his.

BTW - the 33 minutes like - is what appeared on the bottom of his post on facebook.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 7:31:15 PM PDT
Tyrone Slothrop says:
Hooray! Very good!

(Group hug?)

no no no

one of you guys has a cold .

damn, not I caught a cold. :(

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 7:30:33 PM PDT
Leonard Fleisig says:I did not set them out in quotation marks. I should have because they were exact quotes, not my take on them.)

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I couldn't quite tell where his comments ended and yours began, if that change happened at all. :/

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 6:51:16 PM PDT
That works for me and I can live with our disagreeing (not meant sarcastically).

The ironic thing is, I asked my friend for his opinion because I didn't have enough first-hand knowledge to know wether it was or wasn't a totally gutless move. So I asked. If he had tracked your opinion I would have accepted it implicitly because I do value his opinion and experience. (And although I numbered his comments 1. and 2. I did not set them out in quotation marks. I should have because they were exact quotes, not my take on them.)

In any event, until the next topic . . .

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 6:21:18 PM PDT
Eagle Eye says:
You are welcome. As you can see I will fight tooth and nail when I think you are wrong, and I still disagree with you on the memo. But I have to admit I am wrong when it appears that I have misjudged someone based on other information. I try to be fair and balanced but sometimes my upbringing and experience overshadows my thinking. So Leonard I guess we will agree to disagree. Have a nice evening.
EE

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 2:36:30 PM PDT
Hooray! Very good!

(Group hug?)

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 12:38:59 PM PDT
Thank you. And my appologies for the harsh tone I used towards you.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 12:23:46 PM PDT
Eagle Eye: "I will defer to your knowledge of Leonard and apologize for not believing him."

Good for you, EE! Bravo!

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 6:33:20 AM PDT
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Eagle Eye says:
I spent my entire adult life either in the military or working directly with the military and I have found very very few military personnel that would use the wording that was used in the post. But I will defer to your knowledge of Leonard and apologize for not believing him.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 6:25:24 AM PDT
Eagle Eye says:
Read into my post anything you want, the fact is when Obama does something right I give him credit. He is doing a pretty good job of killing terrorist, but a rotten job overall.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 5:02:16 AM PDT
Lily White:

Several of the political reporters I've read who know Pres. Obama personally have said pretty much what you've recorded here. That is the man, warts and all. In his case, the warts aren't all that ugly.

Oh, as to the liberal-conservative split, when he headed up the Harvard Law Review, he often disappointed and/or aggravated liberals who expected him to pursue a more partisan course. Meanwhile, conservatives on the Law Review were often very pleasantly surprised when Barry Obama took their side on some issue or slapped down a senseless liberal or radical proposal. Some members of that latter group also praised their then classmate for being able to admit mistakes and try to correct course.

Not bad qualifications for any executive.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 4:54:51 AM PDT
I side with kbw on this. I see no evidence whatsoever that the military officer Leonard Fleisig cited is mythical or that Mr. Fleising exaggerated anything he said there. And I am trying to fair and balanced here, but it's the only conclusion I can support now.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 4:50:28 AM PDT
Deezus:

You wrote: "so if someone supports Obama's story they can't be conservative? Ever? I don't think you know the meaning of conservative."

Let me say I know of a number of people who consider themselves conservatives and have read the accounts of others who voted for then Senator Obama in the last presidential election. Amongst them were Christopher Buckley, son of William F., and the children and grandchildren of another respectable conservative, the late Sen. Barry Goldwater (John McCain's predecessor in that Arizona upper house seat).

Some of these people cited Sen. McCain's unconscionable choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate, while others took a broad-band approach, citing the various ways that McCain had embraced the hard right and turned his back on certain conservative principles such as individual freedom and what that means.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 4:42:28 AM PDT
Eagle Eye:

I just gave your post from 7:40 last evening its first YES vote.

As you can see, I, too, try to be fair and balanced ... and I sometimes at that.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 4:28:31 AM PDT
Bad Grandpa says:
Lily White says:
"Well, I'm pretty sure that your smarts about economics doesn't quite match the great majority of the economists around the world."

Outstanding post. Very well said!

Posted on May 8, 2012 11:37:17 PM PDT
Lientje says:
Mitt claims he saved Detroit!

I just saw this as a title of another forum, and I was reminded that I saw this little episode on the Jon Stewart show tonight. What a laugh.
You guys (some of you guys) are blaming Obama for something he would have done if only he had had the opportunity to do so. Meanwhile,
Mitt is taking credit for something Obama did do, and Mitt most unqualifiedly did not do.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 11:26:55 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 8, 2012 11:30:29 PM PDT
nameinuse says:
Getting Bin Laden was a big unifying achievement for the US, the military and for Obama....the GOP knee-jerk strategy of attacking it by whatever means is a huge political mistake for them because it's just one of those things that if they attack and denigrate it, it will unfailingly make them look worse to the moderates and independents, and not Obama.

But you try and try to tell them, and they will never listen. Republican political strategists try to tell them and they still don't listen.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 11:26:52 PM PDT
Lientje says:
Eagle Eye: "Again you show your ignorance of economics. Obama has done more damage to the economy than any other president with the possible exception of Carter."

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Well, I'm pretty sure that your smarts about economics doesn't quite match the great majority of the economists around the world.
And they would tell you that you are wrong, both about who created the damage and what is the best way to deal with it. They
would also tell you that you don't turn an economy around overnight, either coming or going.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 11:21:17 PM PDT
Lientje says:
Eagle Eye: You are beginning to sound a little histrionic. Are you getting a little nervous about the
upcoming election?

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 11:08:18 PM PDT
Lientje says:
Healthpro: "What you have to ask yourself is, does this sound like Obama? Well, does it punk?"

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I already did. The answer is no. Perhaps you would like to tell us just exactly why you think otherwise. Or were
you thinking about Sarah Palin and just forgot to tell us.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 11:07:00 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 8, 2012 11:31:11 PM PDT
Lientje says:
Healthpro: And if he encountered anything else, he had to check back. You better believe if anything else had been encountered and the mission had failed, then the blame would have fallen on McRaven. That's what that is about.

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Gosh, you might try reading a book or two about Obama. You might learn something. I've been reading several books about Obama since
the beginning of the year, when I got the CD player in car fixed and I can listen to books on my way to work and back. The funny thing
is that just today I heard from David Mendell, a Chicago Tribune reporter, Obama: From Promise to Power, that Obama
was very much the sort of person who would take the blame onto himself if things went wrong. And he is not the only one to say that.
In fact there are few things that come up in virtually every book. That is one of them. Another is that he is somewhat arrogant, and
somewhat touchy. Another is that he has a movie star smile and women really take to him. He is bright, he is personable, he does his
homework.

So even though you tell me that I better believe it, I don't.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 10:43:03 PM PDT
dss says:That would imply that you think that every thing that Obama does or says is wrong.

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you mean it isn't?

One down

well, I can still fall back on bush being wrong in everything he says or does. I mean, you know, according to the left that is. :/

I don't even know what :/ Means. :/ wait, i did it again. :* now, what the hell was that. darn :# I know the last one. That is my mouth taped shut, just like my stalkers try to do when they dishonestly no vote me. :(

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 10:37:33 PM PDT
Eagle Eye says:
Oh I can face facts! I just don't believe someone who cites a mythical officer.

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I've known Leonard for a long time here, Eagle. As we all know, anyone on the internet can be anyone they want to be. But, in this case here, based on my years of knowing Leonard. I trust him when he says he has a friend who said what he said he did.

It appears that Leonard respects his friend and is deferring to his military experience. As you know, there is still a lot of room for disagreement.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:43:46 PM PDT
dss says:
Eagle Eye says:
"I just don't believe someone who cites a mythical officer that is supposedly a conservative but who just happens to support the Obama story!"

That would imply that you think that every thing that Obama does or says is wrong. Not exactly an objective point of view.
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