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If you help a friend or a neighbor, should the gov tax this as a 'benefit'?


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Initial post: Jun 4, 2012 1:47:10 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 4, 2012 3:25:02 AM PDT
Magna Carta says:
I was watching a gov infomercial on our PBS. The tax acessor talked to a class of automechanics. If they offered friends help with an oil change or a tire rotation, then the gov lost tax revenue. The tax acessor also asked if these 18-19 olds if they had helped friends in the past, and that this loss of tax revenue could cause a child to go without nutrition or etc. etc.

With this argument then the Individual is there to serve the State.

This also rasies the question, can you help your friends, without incurring a tax liability.

The gov has also started to add additional VAT tax on car repair done abroad, if the total cost is over $1000. First you pay the local VAT, then the gov hits you with your national VAT.
With this additional VAT, you are no longer free to trade, where you get the lowest price.

Posted on Jun 4, 2012 8:01:40 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 4, 2012 8:03:25 AM PDT
Thinking like this gives results like Wickerd v Filburn -- where a farmer can't grow wheat for HIS OWN CONSUMPTION -- as it means he won't be buying it from the marketplace.

The government greatly fears a barter economy, which a mechanic can easily participate in due to an easily saleable skill...like replace a buddy's engine in return for a freezer full of beef. It means a loss of control, since the government taxes or removes tax obligations from certain people, locations, or industries. This control enables government to dictate how much a job is worth, how it will be done, and even WHO will do the job. Decades ago, if the mechanic needed some dental work done, he could take 10 ribeyes to the dentist who loves his steak, and has a couple of hours on a Saturday to help out the mechanic...in return for those 10 ribeyes. Again....same thing. This is how it was done in Rural America for generations....small town America, and even in the cities to the extent it could be done. Cash money was used as an exchange medium when it wasn't practical to transfer goods or to perform services....suppose the guy who makes violins is a vegetarian, and you have a surplus of beef......

So yes, you're depriving a small child of free stuff. Which wouldn't be a problem...if we didn't create a class of people who are wholly dependent on that free stuff.

And...the child going without nutrition.....it's not MY PROBLEM! When we start telling ourselves that and stop falling for the guilt trip the progressives wield with such great effectiveness, then maybe the cycle of free stuff will come to an end!!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 2:25:57 PM PDT
Magna Carta says:
I agree with your view.

My grandfathers exchanged meat and fish, one was a farmer and one a fishermen. I also remember one time we took vegetable to the store and exchanged it for groceries. You could not do this today, due to record keeping and tax liability.

The gov imposed a berry and fruit tax on the trees in our garden, my grandfathers cut down all the trees, and sent back the bill with taxes owed = 0
We got audited :) when he came there were no trees to tax :) All the framers made a large bon fire. Today no one protests the ever growing State and loss of freedom.

The tourist hotels like to offer deer and moose meat on their menu, but the hunters are not selling to hotels anymore, the hotels must reoprt and keep records. If you sell to a private individual, then you can barter or cash.

The view of the gov is that the Individual is there to serve the State. The Road to serfdom isn't that far from reality.

The Road to Serfdom: Text and Documents--The Definitive Edition (The Collected Works of F. A. Hayek, Volume 2)
The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 2:34:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 4, 2012 2:40:09 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
got a link by any chance? all Google found was this:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tax/

thanks in advance, it sounds thought- (and rage-) provoking! :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 2:40:28 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 2:45:43 PM PDT
Magna Carta says:
I don't need a link.

When taxes become high, then it becomes profitable to find as many deductions as possbile, since these deductions create high return on your capital.
Tax cheating and taking a deduction is NOT the same, regardless of what your teacher may have said. A deduction is legal, and tax cheating is not legal, herein lies the BIG difference.

One is covered by Criminal Law as fraud, the other one is covered by the Tax Code and is legal.

Making allegations is not the same as truth, people make allegations to smear other people, organizations, etc.

The Law

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 2:51:31 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 4, 2012 2:54:09 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
<<I don't need a link.>>

i just wanted to watch the program in question, too -- i looked, and couldn't find it.

thanks for being a selfish meanie-face and keeping it for yourself. :(

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 2:51:59 PM PDT
Ryan S. Hupp says:
"I don't need a link."
hmm

"Making allegations is not the same as truth"
HMMMM

Posted on Jun 4, 2012 3:01:22 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
seriously, is it rude to ask for references or links or citations these days? all i ever get here is knee-jerk defensiveness. :(

the OP references a show that sounds interesting, not to mention [censored] outrageous. why would we *not* want to watch it ourselves?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 3:05:18 PM PDT
Smallchief says:
You exaggerate. For one, the US doesnt have a VAT.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 5, 2012 4:10:59 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 5, 2012 4:12:44 AM PDT
Magna Carta says:
No I don't.

When I go to Sweden to do service on my car I make sure the bill is less than $1000, otherwise the gov in Norway will hit me with a $250 additional VAT here.
The gov tracks your purchases all over the world, your credit card purchases are divided into catergories, like grocery stores, hotels, etc. A credit card from Norway will not work at a hotel in Las Vegas, since our gov wants to protect me from gambling. I went into a local store in Sweden, which sold lottery tickets, my credit card didn't work there. I had used my card at a campground just 10 minutes earlier, and was surprised that I could not pay for a coffee there. If a store or hotel has anything to do with betting, lottery, gaming, then I'm "protected" by gov from me!

The customs and the gov foreign exchange agency, can track your car repair in Sweden and slap you with the "gov's tax loss" and send you a bill for shopping in a lower tax area. This is now considered tax aviodance.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 5, 2012 5:18:25 AM PDT
Magna Carta says: "No I don't."

I'll take "Does Magna Carta understand the real issues?" for $1000, Alex.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 6, 2012 5:29:32 PM PDT
OldAmazonian says:
"the people's car" = beetle-brow Volkswagen

Sieg Heil!
www.obama.com

Posted on Jun 6, 2012 5:33:00 PM PDT
Dichterliebe says:
We don't need no stinkin' links!

"I was watching a gov infomercial on our PBS." What were you smoking?

Posted on Jun 6, 2012 7:20:36 PM PDT
2/2 Tango says:
I have worked in doctor's offices where two physicians trade services - their CPAs stated that the services must be entered in the books as a service provided for full fee and credited out as a trade - which means they will pay taxes on it at the true value of the service - just like currency changed hands.
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