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Initial post: Jun 16, 2012 8:34:02 AM PDT
Business Insider | June 8

Chinese companies apparently
have a covert capability to remotely
access communications technology
sold to the United States and
other Western countries and could
"disable a country's telecommunications
infrastructure before a military
engagement," according to former and
current intelligence sources.
The Chinese also have the ability
to exploit networks "to enable China
to continue to steal technology and
trade secrets," according to the open
source intelligence company Lignet,
which is comprised of former U.S.
intelligence analysts.
The issue centers on the Chinese
firm Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd.,
which U.S. intelligence sources say has
direct links to the Chinese government
and the People's Liberation
Army, or pla. These sources assert
that Huawei and other Chinese telecommunications
firms such as zte
Corp. have "electronic backdoors" to
telecommunications technology sold
to the U.S. and other countries. ...
The problem of fake Chinese electronic
components, which were installed
by defense contractors without
prior testing and are operating in U.S.
military systems, is far more widespread
than originally thought.
These parts don't just come directly
from China, but also from suppliers
in Britain and Canada who redirect
Chinese products to U.S. defense
contractors. These counterfeit components
have been found in sensitive U.S.
missile systems meant to thwart the
potential of a Chinese missile attack,
in night vision devices

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 9:35:27 AM PDT
Katrina says:
Are any Apple products made in China?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 9:47:48 AM PDT
HAHAHAHA. The chance they'll do this is nill. It would immediately start a war.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 10:10:08 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
*Most* are Katrina. You can Google Foxconn and Apple.
But I had no idea Katrina was going rogue with dark ops and wet work armed with her iPad and iPhone.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 10:11:52 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
It think it is more a rumor to prevent war. Something like this would be a doomsday+1 day device to shut down 3/4 of the planet.

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 10:29:06 AM PDT
seajaw says:
Any more reason needed as to why we need to get manufacturing re-started in the U.S.?

Particularly in the categories of high tech and military hardware, we should not be farming production out to countries like China.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 10:31:16 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
> "Any more reason needed as to why we need to get manufacturing re-started in the U.S.?"

Nothing stopping that except factory worker salaries. Really. Can't be in denial that there is wage disparity that makes APPLE manufacture elsewhere.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 10:34:08 AM PDT
Katrina says:
If it makes sense to manufacture our own Defense Weapons,...doesn't it at least make the same amount of sense to be self-sufficient energy wise? The Electrical Grid, and what powers it, should be part of 'National Security'.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 10:48:46 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2012 10:49:12 AM PDT
seajaw says:
Of course. But should we allow standards of pay, benefits, and work conditions to continue to decline, as they have with the concerted effort to break the unions?

Why are we so willing to fall back to the rest of the pack, in that regard?

Apple's management makes oodles of money, all well and good. They produce products people want.

But how much of that profit should come at the expense of the workers who manufacture those products?

Henry Ford knew better...

"There is one rule for industrialists and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible."

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 10:52:46 AM PDT
And another Foxconn worker committed suicide this last week...

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 11:03:06 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2012 11:27:28 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
Because that is our reality and there is no economic reason otherwise. You can posit that it would be nice to hold the line. But workers as well as the products they produce have supply and demand. Companies the world over strive for the lowest costs of production. If they do not, then they cease to exist. Entire segments of manufacturing in the USA no longer exist because workers demanded that pay be maintained until their factories ceased to be. No winners there.

Ask whether the demand for workers can be met equally well outside the USA for less. The answer suggests why US wages are not sustainable. I am not saying it is nice for American workers. Likewise, garment workers in Pakistan and Indonesia were displaced by cheaper workers in Kenya. That is the shared reality with workers elsewhere. The good news is that worker salaries in the rest of the world are rising.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 11:13:30 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
Not all suicides at Foxconn are due to managers being harsh. Workers often come from subsistence farms and live better than they did at home. They are free to return home. The suicide rate for late teens and twenty somethings in that country is not particularly low either.

Here is the clincher: In 2010 the suicide rate at Foxconn was 14 out of a workforce of 930,000 people i.e. 1.5 per 100,000.
The rate for the rest of China was 14 to 20 per 100,000 (depending on which source you read).
One such analysis:

So it seems that to *prevent* suicide, in China, go work your buns off at Foxconn and live in their dorms. Work hard. Be happy.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 11:28:07 AM PDT
seajaw says:
This is obviously a huge national security concern.

It also puts added emphasis on passing Obama's infrastructure-based jobs package.

Yes, it has a start-up cost, but the benefits are far greater.

It fixes the various grids we depend on -- power, communications, highway, sewer, etc. -- and puts people back to work, which spurs economic growth.

The working class spends money, which is good for the different businesses.

They, in turn, hire more people to keep up with demand. The more people we have working, the more tax revenue comes in (lowering the deficit), and the less the government has to pay out, in unemployment benefits (lowering the deficit).

The more the businesses are hiring, the higher the wages they will pay, to get the best employees. Or, the more willing they will be to offer job training for those who need to upgrade their marketable skills.
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