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Initial post: Feb 18, 2012 9:30:40 AM PST
Lisareads says:
"Potenza: Italian police said on Friday they had seized about USD 6 trillion worth of fake US Treasury bonds and other securities in Switzerland, and arrested eight Italians accused of international fraud and other financial crimes.

The fake securities, worth more than a third of US national debt, were seized in January from a Swiss trust company where they were held in three large trunks.

Police videos showed images of the trunks, with "Federal Reserve System, Treaty of Versailles" stamped on the side in large, golden letters.

Prosecutors said the forgers had hoped to use the fake bonds as collateral to secure loans.

In 2009, Italian financial police seized USD 742 billion of fake US bearer bonds in Chiasso, on the Swiss-Italian border."

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Exactly what is real and what is propaganda?

Ever since we went off the Gold standard the U.S. has been run on faith and belief in the Government. Yet there is plenty of evidence that the Government feeds the public propaganda to control them and the corporate media is a partner.

Posted on Feb 18, 2012 9:44:14 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 18, 2012 10:06:30 AM PST
lowbo says:
Isn't it comforting to know we have a rock-solid banking system to counter fraudulent activities.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2012 9:55:43 AM PST
Lisareads says:
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Isn't it comforting to know we have a rock-solid banking system too counter fraudulent activities. "
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Who is committing the fraud?

Posted on Feb 19, 2012 1:49:46 PM PST
Lisareads says:
Recently, Carabinieri police, carrying out a routine search at a highway rest in Italy, stop found a briefcase containing $20 billion in fake bonds.

Posted on Feb 19, 2012 1:57:29 PM PST
Lisareads says:
e Italian news agency, ANSA, reported that the bonds were also discovered "alongside copies of the Treaty of Versailles rolled inside lead cylinders.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2012 9:28:52 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2012 2:19:45 PM PST
Lisareads says:
The corporate media does not cover these things as they are a corporate tool to make wage slaves.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2012 4:38:38 PM PST
Rover says:
It's actually kind of funny. The Federal Reserve prints bonds out of thin air just like these counterfeiters did. So the "real" Treasury bonds are fake, too.

Also, it's hard to believe these guys would print $6 Trillion worth. Reminds me of the guy who recently tried to spend a 1$ Million bill at WalMart.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2012 4:54:15 PM PST
Lisareads says:
It is the treasury that printed the bonds and back them with gold not the federal reserve bank. The problem being we do not have the gold it has been spent on wars etc. Those holding the bonds can and will make the U.S. declare bankruptcy. There are many trillions of gold backed treasury bonds around the world we have become slaves to those holding them or we have to attack them and steal them back. It seems they are now just denying that they are real. There are several court cases now in various world courts.

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Rover says:
Many people have been saying the US will simply default on the bonds by printing so much money that the bonds will be worth much less.

The main reason commodities like gold and silver and oil seem more expensive now is not because of supply and demand for them but because of supply and demand for Dollars. We're measuring oil against the Dollar. It's the Dollar that's gone down in value and not oil that's gone up.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2012 5:45:52 PM PST
Lisareads says:
"Many people have been saying the US will simply default on the bonds by printing so much money that the bonds will be worth much less."
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The U.S. has nothing to pay the bonds with except your future labor yielding taxes. It is one big ponzi scheme that will not continue. They print more than they get every year. The paper is only worth what you believe and no more. In reality it is worth nothing.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2012 5:58:15 PM PST
Rover says:
Is the idea that the US paid Shek $6 Trillion worth of fake bonds for his gold?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2012 6:00:59 PM PST
Rover says:
Correct. It's just like the Federal Reserve Notes. It's amazing we can still purchase food and gas using these.

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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2012 6:10:36 PM PST
Rover says:
Well, that's impossible. I don't know how much gold Shek looted from China, but there wasn't nearly enough gold in the whole world to be worth $6 Trillion back then.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 21, 2012 6:31:19 AM PST
Lisareads says:
"but there wasn't nearly enough gold in the whole world to be worth $6 Trillion back then. "
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Price is a matter of supply and demand not quality. Look how Rothschild controls the price of diamonds. Another factor is bonds show the face redeemable vale after the time period.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 21, 2012 6:44:51 AM PST
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anne says:
marxbites: <the Chineese have been trading since before the 6th century with many societies like egyptians, Rome, the Dutch, Spaniards, French, Portuguese etc for over 2000 years and they always insisted on gold and silver as payment for their silk, pottery, tea, spices etc. Were now talking about the gold/silver horads stolen by these empires over that period of time. The Kuomintang (whitedragon family) have already shown they have the rest of these bonds in their possession with original copper/brass boxes they were held in and won a recent private court case set at the Hague back in 1998 against the Federal Reserve and that court ordered the Fed to return their gold by the date of Sept. 11 2001. Now you know why there was no gold found in the vaults at all three buildings including building #7. You can find all this info at DivineCosmos.com in a 237 page article showing photo details of said boxes w/bonds and much more. There is now a new court case filed at the NY state court of 138 countries against defendants such as Federal Reserve, Ban Ki Moon head of UN, Popendraous of Italy and many more. >

anne: This is starting to sound like the ark of the covenant. Who has it?--everyone and no one. Are we sure the gold isn't fictional, as well?

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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 21, 2012 7:26:01 AM PST
anne says:
Is a difference between gold and diamonds that diamonds don't have bonds issued against them?

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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 21, 2012 8:13:27 AM PST
Rover says:
There is simply no way to make the numbers fit.

The entire annual world production of gold today is around 50 million oz, and if you multiplied that by $35 per oz, it would be worth $1.75 Billion Dollars. That's about 0.0002 of $6 Trillion.

And the world production back then was less than half today's. So You would need the entire world's gold production for 10,000 years to equal $6 trillion.

If you figured they set the par value on the bonds at twice the value of the gold, you would still need 5,000 years worth of the entire world's annual gold production.
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