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Initial post: Apr 20, 2012 12:05:04 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 20, 2012 12:07:27 PM PDT
Hurricane says:
George Zimmerman appeard in court today. He made the following statement:

"I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son," George Zimmerman says to the parents of Trayvon Martin during a bond hearing. "I did not know if he was armed."

It's honorable that he apologized...there is certainly a huge lack of civility and humility in America today.

Here's my question...
Zimmerman said: "I did not know if he was armed." My question is, if he did not know if Trayvon was armed, how can he cite "Stand your ground" as justification?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:06:33 PM PDT
DEEZUS says:
with that tan, Trayvon looked armed to him!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:06:33 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:08:13 PM PDT
Terje Alnes says:
The Court should decide this, and not the Mob.

Posted on Apr 20, 2012 12:08:40 PM PDT
Hurricane says:
Forgot the source:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/20/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:09:53 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
That's a good question, but it does raise a self defense issue. It's also a great example of a self- serving piece of testimony.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:13:14 PM PDT
2/2 Tango says:
Hurricane:

Depends on how the SYG law is worded, and it can be different in every State that has it.

Do you think a woman who is only five feet tall being advanced upon by a man who is 6'4" would have to determine if he was armed before she shot him, if she felt threatened?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:14:04 PM PDT
But he lied about what he thought Trayvon's age was. Today he said he had thought Trayvon to be just under his (Zimmerman's) age. On the 911 tapes he said he thought he was a teenager.
I think George is going to find it hard to keep all his lies straight.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:14:51 PM PDT
Terje Alnes says:
This is one of the aspects of the Florida self defence law.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:18:07 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 20, 2012 2:56:10 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
<<The Court should decide this, and not the Mob.>>

that seems the most reasonable position to me, too. i don't know who could argue-

<<0 of 3 people think this post adds to the discussion.>>

*facepalm*

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:18:41 PM PDT
Hurricane says:
OK, I found the statute...

Rather than cut-and-paste, here is the link.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

I'm just laying it out there for everyone to consider.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:23:18 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
That's a good choice for an example of self defence. A woman almost always has an advantage when asserting self defence.

The average woman is almost 1/3 smaller than the average man, for example. And, women are victimized at a disproportionately high rate on the street.

So, it's generally a valid defence, in my experience.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:28:38 PM PDT
You can have somebody beating the crap out of you with their fists, slamming your head onto the pavement....and they not have a "weapon" in hand.

You can still shoot them dead.

Under Stand your ground laws.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:29:51 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 20, 2012 12:32:27 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
<<Depends on how the SYG law is worded, and it can be different in every State that has it.>>

my reading of FL's SYG law indicates that Martin had the legal right to stand his ground and defend himself against an armed attacker.

[note that i'm not addressing "who attacked who first". but rather, simply that given a assymetrical confrontation, SYG seems to favor the less-armed as being more-in-fear-of-life.]

Posted on Apr 20, 2012 12:35:07 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 20, 2012 12:35:50 PM PDT
Hurricane says:
I think George is in serious trouble...

The closest situation that matches is this sub-section:
"A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

This section clearly specifies "meeting force with force". If Zimmerman "did not know" Trayvon had a gun this section does not apply. All other sections speak specifically to illegally entering dwellings or conveyence.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 12:37:28 PM PDT
ignatov says:
"Advancing" upon someone is not a capital crime, and besides, Zimmerman was the one doing it.

Posted on Apr 20, 2012 12:42:18 PM PDT
C. Batty says:
This case never has been and never will be a Stand Your Ground case.

Posted on Apr 20, 2012 12:45:34 PM PDT
Brad D. says:
Just because somebody is unarmed doesn't mean he isn't dangerous. I've been training in brazilian jiu jitsu and boxing for almost 10 years. I can literally kill people without even throwing a punch. It takes a simple blood choke held onto for about 1 minute, and you could die. That is simply cutting off the circulation of the arteries in your neck.

Or if I threw punches, once you are knocked out, you are completely defenseless. And it doesn't take much to knock somebody out with no training because they will have their chin in the air and won't roll with a punch.

In my opinion, if somebody is beating the hell out of you, you should be perfectly within your right to defend yourself. If that means using a gun to do so, then so be it. You don't know who you are fighting and what they are capable of.

Posted on Apr 20, 2012 12:47:15 PM PDT
C. Batty says:
But it would still not be reasonable to assume that everyone is a secret ninja assassin.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 1:12:28 PM PDT
Even if they were wearing hoodies?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 1:15:22 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
nothing says "secret ninja assassin" like a hoodie. nothing.

little-known fact that i just made up: hoodies were banned in feudal Japan for just that reason. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 1:17:18 PM PDT
ET says:
You're better than that, Deezus.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 1:17:54 PM PDT
Good to know lol.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 1:27:48 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
yup, if you ever find yourself in feudal Japan, you'll thank me for that tidbit. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 1:29:00 PM PDT
Terje Alnes says:
Dershowitz Blasts Zimmerman Prosecution: 'Not Only Immoral, But Stupid'
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