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Republican pollster to Republican insiders: get with the program on gay marriage


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Initial post: May 12, 2012 1:46:49 PM PDT
Ambulocetus says:
Fascinating. Here is a memo by a GOP pollster who worked on W's 2004 campaign, telling other GOPers to stop attacking marriage equality for gay men and lesbians, or risk the marginalization of their party.

An amazing memo. Scroll down the page for a readable transcript:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/05/top-gop-pollster-to-gop-reverse-on-gay-issues.html

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 2:27:35 PM PDT
Well, with Sanitarium urging Romney to go hard against gay marriage, and the revelations about Romney's own hate crime and assault on a young gay man, it looks like the republicans are working just as hard as they can to marginalize themselves.

But then, that was a memo. A lot of republicans apparently can't read.

Posted on May 12, 2012 3:45:54 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 4:23:39 PM PDT
TeaBaggerVik says: "I'm assuming you support 100 people marring each other if they love each other too?? Is that right?"

If you mean "100 people marrying", are you referring to the Mormon habit of polygamy?

Wait - what cult does Romney belong to?

Posted on May 12, 2012 4:45:55 PM PDT
Didn't Romney just put on a 'dog and pony show' at Liberty University (Jesus Camp) for the faithful. Looks like the Mormons are a 'cult' no more.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 4:49:54 PM PDT
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c--kuta says:
"The surviving spouse of a lesbian couple is suing the federal government for reimbursement of the $350,000 tax bill she paid on her wife's estate.

Edith Windsor and Thea Spyer became engaged in 1967 and were married in Canada in 2007, although they lived in New York City. Ordinarily, spouses can leave any amount of property to their spouses free of federal estate tax. But when Ms. Spyer died in 2009, Ms. Windsor, 81, had to pay Ms Spyer's estate tax bill because of the Federal Defense of Marriage Act of 1996, which denies federal recognition of gay marriages.

"While New York State considered us married, the federal government did not, so the government taxed Thea's estate as though we were strangers rather than spouses," she told the New York Daily News.

Windsor's suit, filed in U.S. district court in Manhattan, seeks to have the Defense of Marriage Act declared unconstitutional and asks for a refund of the $350,000 Ms. Windsor paid in estate taxes. The law "effectively imposes a tax on being gay," Ms. Windsor said." -- New York Times

The above is but one reason gays should be allowed to marry and have that marriage recognized.

Posted on May 12, 2012 5:01:30 PM PDT
Kilgore says:
fundamentals christians are pushing romney over to even deeper waters of homophobia and hate. this was forseen by the republican party and they knew the danger of the tea party. if the fundamental christians still get more hateful in a general election arena they will lose. did you think the reaction of the republican pundits on obama's announcement was so unfocused. this wasn't on their radar and hoping the issue would go away. looks like the issue of marriage equality will be front and center issue thanks to the hate of the tea party. progress will be that much quicker for the marriage equality with some horrible bumps in the road i am sure caused by the hate of such people.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 5:19:23 PM PDT
C. Batty says:
Watch Sister Wives sometime. Appartently polygamy is already legal.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 5:25:32 PM PDT
C. Batty,

That's like saying running stop signs is already legal ---- just sit and watch at any corner!

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In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 5:50:45 PM PDT
C. Batty says:
Watch Sister Wives sometime. Appartently polygamy is already legal.
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I think when these Ahab Mohammed Aba Zaba guys enter the Country with their 4 wives, the wives are recognized by the Federal Government as wives (spouses).

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 6:04:44 PM PDT
Tea Party,

The same sex issue is equal rights to a civil marriage. Since NO ONE can marry 100 people, everyone is equal. There are a lot of things that NO one can do legally, but this country has tried to treat all equally.

Posted on May 12, 2012 6:04:46 PM PDT
RichieV says:
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Conservative fundamentals:

"As people who promote personal responsibility, family values, commitment and stability, and emphasize freedom and limited government we have to recognize that freedom means freedom for everyone. This includes the freedom to decide how you live and to enter into relationships of your choosing, the freedom to live without excessive interference of the regulatory force of government.
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Richiev says: I have to agree with the what the pollster said. Republicans should support Gay marriage "Because" they are conservative.

However I do find it interesting. If supporting gay marriage is so obvious, why did it take Obama so long to do it; I mean, Cheney as a conservative was supporting gay marriage long before Obama.

I am glad Obama has changed his position, in the long run it is probably going to be the mainstream point of view. In the short run, who knows. His new position is probably going to be used as an ugly political football. But then again, his new position was probably influenced by the recommendation of a poll maker just like this one.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 6:11:53 PM PDT
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RichieV says:
Reed N.D. Dark says:
Tea Party,

The same sex issue is equal rights to a civil marriage. Since NO ONE can marry 100 people, everyone is equal. There are a lot of things that NO one can do legally, but this country has tried to treat all equally.
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Richiev says: That argument doesn't really hold up. Under the current laws of most States, No man can marry another man, No woman can marry another woman. Those laws apply to everyone equally. Technically, everyone does have the exact same rights; however people are saying, in the name of equality, let's change what marriage is and I agree. So not only do I support gay marriage I also support polygamy.

It is all the same. if we are redefining marriage then people should be free to marry who every they want. (As long as the people getting married are consenting adults and not teenage girls barely out of puberty which I am completely against, which for some reason has happened in polygamy)

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 6:15:57 PM PDT
RichieV,

In my experience many people that have not religious objections don't understand that there isn't an equality. Many when they understand what freedoms are not available are quickly converted. Cheney had the first hand knowledge; I thought he might have been able to show his party to make the first move -- well actually second, he made the first. It was not to be.

As for Obama's political move, why not push the Republican Party into a more conservative corner? I don't think Romney had a choice. But if you listen carefully I'm not sure he said any more than Obama said or what he has said before: "this is my opinion". I didn't hear either one say they were going to do anything to move to change anything.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 6:24:10 PM PDT
But there are family units that can marry and not every man or woman has the option to create a civil union. Of course, there are laws or they would be being treated equally. Telling someone who they can or cannot marry has been addressed in law before. And yes, children are different. But all adults cannot currently enjoy the legal benefits that a civil marriage provides. If you'd rather get rid of inheritance advantages, marriage tax breaks, etc etc ..... then there might be an equality. But right now a civil marriage grants you rights that no other "arrangement" does.

As for changing what a civil marriage is, you know the one that the state acknowledges and records marriages --- that's not being changed. Civil Marriage could be changed back to plural, but currently there aren't any legal benefits to do that as there are for single inheritances.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 6:27:35 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 12, 2012 6:28:25 PM PDT
RichieV says:
Oddly enough Reed. I am a Christian and I believe the problems with marriage come down to our country not following the separation on Church and State on this issue.

My own beliefs are; I believe that the government should stay out of marriage (as a religious institution) all together. They should simply hand out civil union licences to everyone. (Gay or straight) If the couple then wants to stand in front of a minister and have their union declared a Marriage, that should be between them and God. (Marriage is Gods, Civil Unions are Caesars)

Since that is not going to happen, (Government is not going to get out of the marriage business) then I simply have to support gay marriage because we are a country that believes in equality, I believe in a less intrusive government that doesn't tell people how they should live their lives and someone else getting marriage doesn't in any way effect my personal relationship with God.

And that is about as religious as I am going to get on these forums.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 6:38:38 PM PDT
Richiev,

I'm with you but I would add. We have a civil marriage and "holy matrimony". Every clergy has to register with the county in order to officiate and sign for a civil marriage: hence the marriage certificate/license. There are countries that make it clear in that you must get married by the "state" and then the church if you desire. The US has made it simpler but a civil marriage is at the hub of the state recognition. If you want you common law "marriage" recognized, you often have to register it. Had there not been a tax break/benefit for a civil marriage I think the issue would have been moot: well maybe --- certainly not as pressing.

I don't see the problem with separation of church and state: the catholic church doesn't recognize a civil marriage eg. with a Justice of the Peace ---- why can't the churches that object do the same?

BTW, I've lived where churches actually did perform gay marriages for their gathered communities. As for being Christian, if that's odd ---- then we both are!!!!
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