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was zimmerman overcharged to ensure he gets off? will the panthers start the riots they threatened when zimmerman is found innocent ?


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Initial post: Apr 11, 2012 9:29:29 PM PDT
the DA grossly overcharged zimmerman with murder 2. at best it was manslaughter.

they wont get a murder conviction.
did they overcharge him so he would get off.

did they charge him at all because of the black panther threats to start a race war?

will the panthers really start another 1968 style city burning riots when zimmerman gets off ?

what will they do to michelle williams who had a DEAD or alive reward on zimmerman to be paid by the florida panthers.

Posted on Apr 11, 2012 9:37:43 PM PDT
douglasG says:
"will the panthers really start another 1968 style city burning riots when zimmerman gets off ?"

Considering the current panthers are a newly formed group that hijacked the originals name I doubt it. Most if not all of the new black panthers weren't even born in 1968.

He may get off, he may not. A lot of people are thinking he only got charged because of public out cry. However he did kill the kid armed with skittles. Maybe the rainbow candy is considered a threat in gated communities of Florida?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 9:47:11 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 9:55:52 PM PDT
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douglasG says:
Are they brave enough? No, I don't think they are.

I think the question is are they dumb enough? Yes, they are dumb enough to start a riot.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 9:57:49 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 10:09:49 PM PDT
freezone says:
"was zimmerman overcharged to ensure he gets off? will the panthers start the riots they threatened when zimmerman is found innocent ?"

No and no.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 10:10:47 PM PDT
freezone says:
"they have threatened race wars "

They are a total of 12 people.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 10:22:13 PM PDT
reply to freezone's post:

only took one person to start ww1

only took one person to start the riots and burn cities down in 1968

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 12, 2012 12:54:20 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 12, 2012 12:56:49 AM PDT
MisterTee says:
<the current panthers are a newly formed group that hijacked the originals name>

A handful of dudes in British Army uniforms. They look decidedly false-flag to me.

Try being less afraid of everything, whomper. It's easier on your heart. Your shadow shouldn't make you jump through the ceiling every time you catch it out of the corner of your eye. It's not healthy to hide under your bed, clutching your blankie, 24 hours a day.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 12, 2012 1:08:46 AM PDT
Why are ya'll acting like a nervous nellie and hoping the drama starts early?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 12, 2012 1:12:44 AM PDT
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Intrepid says:
Yes, it seems like it might not stick. Voluntary manslaughter seems to fit the circumstances far better and could have carried 15 years and a $10K fine. However it could be challenged by neighbor's testimony (including some who are African American).

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 12, 2012 2:57:03 AM PDT
Murder 2 is the appropriate charge.

The elements of common law murder are:

Unlawful
killing
of a human
by another human
with malice aforethought

The four states of mind recognized as constituting "malice" are:

Intent to kill,
Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm short of death,
Reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life (sometimes described as an "abandoned and malignant heart"), or
Intent to commit a dangerous felony (the "felony-murder" doctrine).

Under state of mind (i), intent to kill, the deadly weapon rule applies. Thus, if the defendant intentionally uses a deadly weapon or instrument against the victim, such use authorizes a permissive inference of intent to kill. In other words, "intent follows the bullet." Examples of deadly weapons and instruments include but are not limited to guns, knives, deadly toxins or chemicals or gases and even vehicles when intentionally used to harm a victim.

First Degree Murder is any murder that is willful and premeditated. Felony Murder is typically first degree.

Second Degree Murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance.

Voluntary Manslaughter sometimes called a "Heat of Passion" murder, is any intentional killing that involved no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed." Both this and second degree murder are committed on the spot, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be mitigated to voluntary manslaughter.

Involuntary Manslaughter stems from unintentional, but criminally negligent behavior. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter. Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional," because the killer did not intend for a death to result from his intentional actions.

Posted on Apr 12, 2012 3:21:38 AM PDT
ET says:
Nameinuse posted laws that, in FL, raise a manslaughter charge to murder 2 if a gun is used as the weapon.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 12, 2012 3:33:02 AM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
DA's always overcharge (or add extra charges), this gives them negotiation leeway

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 12, 2012 8:07:23 AM PDT
reply to Empress Fifi Trixibelle's post:

you are totally wrong

it was self defense
completly legal and appropriate to kill travon

dont even need the stand your ground law to make that legal

Posted on Apr 12, 2012 8:41:10 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 12, 2012 10:49:21 AM PDT
Whomper and like minded people have no concept no experience to relate to institutionalized oppression, racism and discrimination in the USA. So to ask if the panthers will start a race riot is the wrong question. The question should be 'will people revolt again against the long standing ongoing racial inequities and judicial injustices that are deeply rooted and prevalent and clearly active in today's society?'

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 12, 2012 12:38:04 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 12, 2012 12:41:15 PM PDT
<... stand your ground law ...>

The defense would be stupid to use the 'stand your ground' law. Even with the little that's known, there was no 'standing' going on. Libs can only wish 'stand your ground' was the crux in this case.

A self-defense argument relevant in every state will be the issue if the dead kid was on top of the rumored witnessed tussle. Murder 2 is appropriate and consistent with other self-defense killings. It was no accident that one guy had a gun. The jury decides the self-defense argument.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 13, 2012 1:14:04 PM PDT
No one actually believes the Panthers these days excpet paranoid racists.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 13, 2012 1:20:02 PM PDT
Paul Crow says:
Then why have you been so afraid of sending it to trial? If he's as innocent as you claim he is, he shouldn't have any problem proving it.

Posted on Apr 13, 2012 1:34:15 PM PDT
Zato says:
There is actually a high probability that a judge will throw the whole case out before it goes to trial.

If this happens, there will be trouble.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 13, 2012 1:36:40 PM PDT
ET says:
I would be surprised if that were to happen: too much publicity and chaos.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 13, 2012 2:55:31 PM PDT
TucsonCoyote says:
I think he'll plea down to a lesser charge and there won't be a trial. If he has half a brain.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 13, 2012 2:56:57 PM PDT
MisterTee says:
It's seems like that's *exactly* what he has...

Posted on Apr 13, 2012 3:01:54 PM PDT
dss says:
Isn't the charge automatically bumped up because he used a gun? So manslaughter plus gun equals second degree murder.

It also gives the prosecution negotiating room. And the jury can still find him of a lesser charge.
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