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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 6:35:20 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 4, 2012 6:37:23 AM PDT
While I appreciate the correction (and will edit my post), I think you have very little room to point out the mistakes of others regarding spelling or proper English usage.

That aside, I am not associated with OWS, an anarchist, a socialist, or a thug. But hey, why let facts and reality stop you from stringing a bunch of words together, huh?

We do praise success here in America. However, being born with a silver spoon in your mouth isn't all that much of an accomplishment, even if you do wind up giving daddy's money to a university eventually.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 6:57:50 AM PDT
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A customer says:
" being born with a silver spoon in your mouth isn't all that much of an accomplishment,"

You would be suprised how few improve upon what was left to them. The percentage is very high on those who squander what was left to them.

I learned many years ago how judge those who had something left to them with a simple question.

"Did they work & improve upon it?"

Mitt Romney passes that test with flying colors.

I always ask myself when a person dies, was he/she productive & this is how I make my own mind up what kind of person somebody was.

America became great because people where raised to work for what they had & worked hard. It wasn't entitlements that made America great, entitlements where intended to remain small & help those who fell through the cracks.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 7:00:37 AM PDT
Okay, but your original argument (that Romney's start in life wasn't provided by his father's wealth) is still unproven.

The fact that he was able to donate the money his father left him in 1995 doesn't mean that his father didn't give him money, provide him with connections, or otherwise set him up in life. He may have accomplished what he did after that, but considering him a self-made man is just silly.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 7:17:24 AM PDT
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A customer says:
" The fact that he was able to donate the money his father left him in 1995 doesn't mean that his father didn't give him money, provide him with connections, or otherwise set him up in life. He may have accomplished what he did after that, but considering him a self-made man is just silly."

I don't think Mitt used his dad's money to start Bain Capitol Investor's in 1984.

Mitt & Ann lived in a $69 a month Apartment when they got married in college.

You might want to learn a little before you critisize a hard working man who used his OWN money & hard work to become Americas best equity investor in to bankrupted companies OR companies needing cash to expand.

Mitt Romney's capital investment company was an honorable business. Those union bosses Obama is running out their to whine in his attack ad's about losing their jobs is a total lie.

The Washington Post gave Obama 4 Pinocchio's for his ad's (There highest rating for a liar)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 7:32:09 AM PDT
So Romney didn't use his dad's money to finance his education or any of his start in life?

Please try to discuss this without changing the subject to Obama. This doesn't have anything to do with Obama. I didn't bring up Obama's ads on the matter.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 7:39:18 AM PDT
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A customer says:
Mitt & Ann Romney lived in a $69 a month apartment when they got married in college & both worked to pay their living expenses. George Romney didn't support them.

Mitt Romney started Bain Capitol with no money from his father.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 7:40:25 AM PDT
So you keep saying. So you mean that Romney never got money to pay for college or to pay for anything from his father? His father totally cut him off at age eighteen?

That's harsh.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 7:42:05 AM PDT
A customer says:
Mitt Romney wanted to make it on his own, by his own choice.

Most successful people in America have made it on their own efforts.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 7:45:36 AM PDT
To say Mitt Romney's success in life is due solely to his own efforts is a willful and brazen stretch of the truth of American economic and political life.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 7:53:31 AM PDT
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A customer says:
"To say Mitt Romney's success in life is due solely to his own efforts is a willful and brazen stretch of the truth of American economic and political life."

+++++++++++++ You lose ++++++++

Read the left leaning PolitiFact. Then get back to me !

"Multimillionaire GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney says he built that wealth himself, "the American way."

Romney, the son of a corporate CEO, made his own fortune leading private equity firm Bain Capital.

But as the product of a wealthy Michigan suburb, private prep school and ultimately Harvard, Romney still faces accusations of silver-spoon privilege.

"I know the Democrats want to go after the fact that I've been successful," Romney said at a Republican presidential debate in Charleston, S.C. on Jan. 19, 2012, as he explained why he would wait to release his tax returns. "I'm not going to apologize for being successful."

His father, George Romney, who led Detroit automaker American Motors Corp., was a three-time governor of Michigan and himself ran for president in the 1960s.

"I could have stayed in Detroit like him and gotten pulled up in a car company," Romney said at the debate. "I went off on my own. I didn't inherit money from my parents. What I have, I earned. I worked hard, the American way."

We were curious. Did Romney, the last of George and Lenore's four children, receive no inheritance on his path to wealth?

Romney's words

We asked Romney's campaign about his claim.

"Mitt Romney's success is based on his 25-year career in business and the fact that he founded and led one of the most successful private equity companies in the world," spokesman Ryan Williams said.

That wasn't as helpful as, say, a copy of his father's will.

Nor was there any information about George Romney's financial legacy in the many obituaries for the Michigan luminary, who died in 1995 at age 88.

But Mitt Romney has addressed the question himself, it turns out, in an interview with C-SPAN in 2006. Host Brian Lamb asked him why his father hadn't given him an inheritance.

Romney answered, "Well, he didn't have as much as I think some people anticipated. And I did get a check from my dad when he passed away. I shouldn't say a check, but I did inherit some funds from my dad. But I turned and gave that away to charity. In this case I gave it to a school which Brigham Young University established in his honor. ... And that's where his inheritance ended up."
According to a short history of the George W. Romney Institute of Public Management at BYU, the family provided an endowment in 1998, within a few years of George Romney's death.

So, in Romney's own words, he did "inherit some funds" from his dad. But he gave them away.

Why?

"I figured we had enough of our own," he said.

He probably did. By 1995, Romney had already led Bain Capital for more than a decade, where shrewd investments made him millions. He stepped down in 1999.

He now says he's worth somewhere between $190 million and $250 million.

How Romney got rich

"I went off on my own," Romney said at the debate. "... What I have I earned. I worked hard, the American way."

So while he didn't ultimately benefit from an inheritance, we wondered: Had Romney's parents' wealth helped build his own fortune?

There's no evidence we saw that Romney's parents helped buy him a business career. But there were certain advantages to Romney's comfortable upbringing.

Romney started college at Stanford, where his "allowance" was big enough for frequent plane tickets to sneak home to Michigan see his girlfriend, Ann, according to a recently published book by two Boston Globe journalists, "The Real Romney."

After a two-year missionary trip to France, where he lived sparely as he proselytized door-to-door, he finished his undergraduate studies at BYU, where he married Ann in 1969. He was 22, his wife 19. His parents' wedding gift? A car. Meanwhile, the students - who started a family a year later - lived in a modest, $62-a-month basement apartment, Ann later told the Boston Globe. But they didn't have to work.

"We were happy, studying hard. Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time," she said.

When the couple moved to Boston so Romney could study business and law at Harvard, his parents helped them buy a house.

It's not clear who paid for his education, but Romney wasn't exactly a struggling student: enough cash for plane tickets, a car as a wedding gift, stock that kept him from having to work, help buying a home.

What about that hard work he mentioned?

When he got back from his mission trip to France, he wanted to "accomplish things of significance," according to a quote from The Real Romney.

"I said, 'Boy, I want to do something with my life if I can.' So when I came home, I was a much better student."

At BYU, he graduated with highest honors and gave a speech at graduation. He got accepted to a recently created dual-degree program in law and business at Harvard.

Of hundreds of Romney's law and business school classmates at Harvard, just 15 earned the dual degree - which packed courses required for the two degrees into less time than earning them separately. Romney didn't just earn the degree. He graduated with honors from the law school and in the top 5 percent of his class in the business school, according to The Real Romney.

His mere presence among the elite MBA/JD earners got him heavily recruited by Boston Consulting Group. So while he passed the Michigan bar in case he needed to go back to his dad's state to work near the car industry, it wouldn't be necessary.

"(Romney) was an outstanding recruit with exceptional grades, and he was the very charming, smooth, attractive son of a former presidential candidate. So everybody was bending over backward to get their hands on him," said Charles Faris, who was with Boston Consulting Group, according to the The Real Romney.

When he started work with Boston Consulting Group, "he worked his butt off," Faris said.

The young father worked nights, weekends and traveled often, including frequent trips to Europe, the book says.

He got hired away by Bill Bain at consulting company Bain & Co., who ultimately tapped him to launch Bain Capital in 1984.

There, he made the deals that dramatically increased his wealth."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/20/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-he-didnt-inherit-money-his-parent/

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 7:56:13 AM PDT
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Oh, Romney and Romney's spokesperson say he earned it himself. Well, that proves he's a self-made man!

It's hard to believe you're for real when you expect people to believe stuff like this, Superman.

If you don't think there are substantial advantages distributed to Romney according to his birth and education (which you haven't yet established his father didn't pay for), then you are misguided.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:10:06 AM PDT
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Yeah, a college student who goes to very, very expensive schools -- who doesn't have to work because he is "living off investments" -- at age 22. I have a lovely parting gift chosen especially for Stuporman. Fairy Tales Every Child Should Know [Illustrated Edition]

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:21:39 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:24:53 AM PDT
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Where is the socialist Barry Obama's college transcripts ?!?

Why won't he show them to us, we have been asking for 5 years !

HUH come'on TELL us WHY

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:25:49 AM PDT
You didn't prove it at all. Your article states that he was recruited heavily due to his degrees from Harvard. Did he pay for those?

Check out these quotes from your article:

"We were happy, studying hard. Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time," she said.

When the couple moved to Boston so Romney could study business and law at Harvard, his parents helped them buy a house.

It's not clear who paid for his education, but Romney wasn't exactly a struggling student: enough cash for plane tickets, a car as a wedding gift, stock that kept him from having to work, help buying a home."

And this:

""(Romney) was an outstanding recruit with exceptional grades, and he was the very charming, smooth, attractive son of a former presidential candidate. So everybody was bending over backward to get their hands on him.'"

Romney may be a lot of things: smart, a hard worker, good at business. But he isn't a self-made man and deep down, you have to know that.

There's no shame in inheriting a good start in life, but don't confuse it with being a self-made person.

There are a lot of sucessful people in this country who paid for their own education, didn't get a boost from their dad's status, didn't get a house as a present from a parent, or have the chance to live off investments. Your stories about Romney insult all of them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:26:24 AM PDT
What does that have to do with Romney's dad paying for his degrees?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:27:15 AM PDT
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What part of this don't you understand ?

"His mere presence among the elite MBA/JD earners got him heavily recruited by Boston Consulting Group. So while he passed the Michigan bar in case he needed to go back to his dad's state to work near the car industry, it wouldn't be necessary.

"(Romney) was an outstanding recruit with exceptional grades, and he was the very charming, smooth, attractive son of a former presidential candidate. So everybody was bending over backward to get their hands on him," said Charles Faris, who was with Boston Consulting Group, according to the The Real Romney.

When he started work with Boston Consulting Group, "he worked his butt off," Faris said.

The young father worked nights, weekends and traveled often, including frequent trips to Europe, the book says.

He got hired away by Bill Bain at consulting company Bain & Co., who ultimately tapped him to launch Bain Capital in 1984."

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:28:08 AM PDT
A customer says:
"What does that have to do with Romney's dad paying for his degrees?"

Better then the federal government loaning him money, right?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:28:27 AM PDT
What part of "stock that kept him from having to work" don't you understand?

What part of " . . . son of a former presidential candidate . . . so everybody was bending over backward to get their hands on him" do you not understand?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:29:03 AM PDT
There's nothing wrong with it. It's just inconsistent with your image of the self-man made who created himself from nothing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:29:59 AM PDT
A customer says:
In America only socialist liberals (3.2% of the pop) hate people of success.

The rest of us celebrate people who are successful.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:30:44 AM PDT
I don't hate Romney for being successful. I disagree with the story that he is a self-made man. Huge difference.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:32:17 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 4, 2012 8:35:04 AM PDT
A customer says:
Yeah, well then I conceded Mitt Romney made his wealth from hard work & being highly intelligent & heavily recruited out of college .

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 8:34:07 AM PDT
And having his dad pay for elite schooling, being able to live off of stock, and being the son of a former presidential candidate right?

If you want to concede those points, then we can talk about Obama if you'd like.
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