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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2007 6:45:37 AM PST
John M. Lane says:
Thanks for the advice there, European Trailer Trash. You may have to improvise your tinfoil hat. Form a sheet to your head and then put your hat on to hold it in place.

You've got a point about the insidious Zionist sneaking around in the shrubbery outside the kitchen though. It's too cold to wear the full body tinfoil suit all the time, but I have had good luck removing the shrubbery and installing a watch-dog.

This being America, I'm also heavily armed, which they seem to respect. If something (other than the dog, that is,) moves out where the shrubs used to be, I just pump a couple of 12 gauge shells in that direction.

There is a hidden benefit to this. I no longer get door-to-door salesmen or religious proselytizers. Of course, my inlaws no longer drop by either. Oh well, I guess you can't have everything.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2007 10:50:53 AM PST
Jill Malter says:
Golly, I'm not so sure that this plan works all that well. Wouldn't it be better to, um, wear something less potentially striking and try to blend in? That way, one might not be noticed. ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2007 11:55:07 AM PST
Suet says:
Rachel -

Blue and white horizontals, yeah. It's the bit in the middle they don't like.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2007 8:38:54 PM PST
L. King says:
I placed my copy of Mearsheimer and Walt's book in my toaster. The pages got burnt, but in the charred remains I found this mysterious message that seems to explain everything!

www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2007/12/03/daily22.html

So it wasn't the Zionists after all!

Given its condition I can't get a refund for the book but I may be able to get one for the toaster. If you still have a copy of the book don't put it in the toaster and find your receipt - you may be able to get a refund for it as well. Tin foil hats may be coming back into style - hold on to them, but stay out of the Bushes.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2008 10:03:03 AM PST
Jill Malter says:
Maybe we all ought to go back to the borders the world had on April 1, 1949. I chose April 1 for obvious reasons. That would give Taiwan the southern half of China. Tibet would be free.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2008 7:21:31 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 6, 2008 10:26:32 AM PST
Rachel says:
Hi Jill:
Sadly we can't go back....... but if we could we would. We always find was went wrong in retrospective and the toaster obsolete...... no way to toast my Challah!
I was serious when I asked you why did a pagan used AD?
Not the most shattering question in the world! just curious. is your bunny a pagan too?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2008 9:20:22 PM PST
Jill Malter says:
Rachel,

I'd prefer to use something other than AD, but "CE" isn't any better, and it might even be confusing. I could use some other calendar, but that would be even worse.

If you have a better suggestion, let me know.

The bunny is secular.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 3:53:00 AM PST
Suet says:
What's wrong with the use of CE for Common Era? It's fairly standard practice among historians.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 9:20:31 AM PST
Rachel says:
Indeed it is Suetonius. Not everybody follows this and to write is acknowledging that Jesus is the Lord. Neither Jews, nor Moslems can do that! BC= Before the Common Era CE= Common era. I know you know that this is for other readers.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 10:11:50 AM PST
Jill Malter says:
I don't like CE, or BCE for that matter, because it still looks like "Christian Era." Nor would I like HE (Historian's Era). Too sexist. ;-) Or even SHE (Secular Historian's Era).

Maybe just a + or a - sign would be simpler. But "1888+" might be confused with a date later than 1888 rather than merely a date after 0. By the way, there is no year 0, right?

Anyway, I guess I'll switch to CE. I learned AD in grammar school and I've used it since then. And I was a Pagan back then as well. Even my parents, also Pagans, used it, probably for the same reason. They did not use the Muslim calendar here in the US.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 10:17:46 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 6, 2008 1:07:31 PM PST
Rachel says:
Good morning Andrea. It is a long answer:
I am a centrist and un-afiliated Jew because I am an American- Jew. Unless I am in Israel I would be a member of something centrist and be able to vote. I dream to go there, but life is as is and you stay where you can make a living.
Political- Zionism as a movement that Theodore Hertzl founded and yes you are right is has morphed after its inception:
First it was to convince the Jews that this idea should get a hold for Diaspoiric Jews; hence the Basle Zionist Congress and many others that came after:there were arguments about what language you should used in these congresses: Yiddish, Hebrew German. They had to concentrate in having a common ground how to proceed. The push was that Jews should make a real effort to emigrate. There was no more reason why Jews should accept the degradation, accept the insults like in the Dreyfus Affair. That is what pushed Herzl ( journalist in that trial saw as an incredible need)l. Yet, since he was an assimilated Austrian Jew, it was ok any land as long as it would be for the Jews. His acceptance of Uganda discredited him in the eyes of Jews who even believed he was a Messiah!
Then, when Theodore Hertzl did not convince the Pasha in the Ottoman Empire, he could do nothing else,but Chaim Weismann pushed for the Balfour declaration when the British wanted to honor him for the discovery of acetone. He declined the money award and said: "a land for my people" Hence the Balfour Declaration.The Balfour declaration is tame and it says just "a homeland for the Jews." Yet Balfour was integrated into the League of Nation projects.
Nothing came out as you know from this declaration. World War finished and it was not suitable, or like Jill say, perhaps it was not the right time, since the Mufti of Jerusalem was on the loose to go harder for a Nation- State. This labor continued until 1947, after many commissions went back and forth making different plans how to divide the land and make happy both Jews and Arabs.
Instead of a nation- States in 1919 ,the French and the British, made Mandates for themselves in the Middle East, and it was not until 1947 that the United Nations granted partition for both. The Jews said Yes and the Arab league under the Egyptian Mohammed Salah said No.
So Zionism goal was now to construct the land, to continue buying the land and the Jews that had never come out from the land, welcomed the newcomers and these newcomers welcome those illegally after the notorious 1939 White Paper by the British. (Aliyah Bet).
Then Zionism's goal then changed to kick the British out because they did not want to get out at all. They, sadly, messed the situation between Arabs and Jews by promising similar thing on the ground to them.
Ben- Gurion when he came to the States told us Diaspora Jews that if we don't settle in Israel we are NOT Zionist. Then he changed his tune, it is not easy to move ipso-facto like he wanted us to do! So Zionist is any Jew Diasporic or not, that loves the land of Israel and supports its welfare. And that is were we are now, wherever Israel stands we stand. There are two Jewish religious groups who do not defend Israel's right to exist; The Neturei Karta in Jerusalem and the Kiryat Joel In upstate New York. Then we have the Finkelsteins and Chomskys of this world:American anti- zionists.
I should add that we in the Diaspora sometimes do not know why the Israelis act in a certain way that we condemn them, but yes the Israeli government has made big mistakes.
Finally, Zionism changed to the in-gathering of Exiles persecuted in the lands of the Diaspora in which they are: examples: Ethiopians ( operation Magic Carpet), The Let my People go campaign to bring Russian Jews, because they were not allowed to practice their religion there, the Argentinian after the bombing of the JCC there, when Menem did nothing, but we think it was with money of the Saudis.
Talking about Argentina, thanks about the existence of Israel we were able to capture Eichmann and bring him to trial in Israel.
Now, the argument is Israel was given to you because of the Holocaust better called in Hebrew Shoa= tragedy) : well that is a sheer lie, as you can tell from my description, it has nothing to do with the Holocaust, though in Israel we indeed have many Holocaust survivors.
I don't like the tie with the Holocaust because the Arabs say we re not responsible for that it is a European problem. No way! The Mufti was in cahoots with Eichmann and he was in his payroll and spend the time of the war and he is the one who told Arabs to run out because "we will throw the Jews to the Sea.' He caused the problem of the refugees.... which continue to be a thorn in Israel 's back and it could have been solved ages ago.
A new book has come out about the Mufti and how the Protocols of the Elders of Zion spread in the Arab world. So with lie after lie, I despair of ever erasing antisemitism which was Herzl's ideal: that once we have a land and sovereignty, we will be free..... famous last words!
I hope that I have not been teacherish in these, my thoughts came out and I wrote was I thought would be relevant to answer your question. Thank you for asking me.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 10:25:33 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 6, 2008 12:58:22 PM PST
Rachel says:
Jill; You are right. Maye put in in Parenthesis ( 2008 Christian Calendar) and when you use CE say common era Jewish calendar. Ditto when we use the Moslem, Chinese, or any others who have a different calendar.
I really do not know if this is a better arrangement or more confusing!
Did you put a name to the bunny?

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 12:08:30 PM PST
D. Kurth says:
This is really really sick and inappropriate. Please stop this indirection and racial slurs. Comments, although hidden, about the WWII camps and the "cookers" are really sick sick sick.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 12:48:50 PM PST
Suet says:
D. Kurth said: "Comments ... about the WWII camps and the "cookers" are really sick"

I missed that, Kurth. Are you sure you aren't reading something into it that isn't there?

Let me rephrase that: you are reading something into it that isn't there.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 1:31:32 PM PST
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Rachel says:
D. Kurt:
I think you are new to this post nobody is making jokes about WW camps at all.
We had a fellow poster called WW and he has been deleted by Amazon I don't exactly know why. I am assuming is that he sometimes broke the limits of civility. That is the only way that I think you read things about the camps on WWII because of the discussion we were having with WW. Not World War two at all!
This has been my stance civility, we are not insulting anybody or assuming issues that are not true. If you run to the oldest post you will see that my fellow posters are kidding that should not read such and such post because they thought I will protest to them about what they wrote, but that is all.....
If the discussion about Zionist burned my toast title disturbs is because we were trying to put some levity to the constant anti-zionism of a specific person in this post and others.
Please do not read slurs were none are meant.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 3:21:51 PM PST
Rachel says:
Hi dear European Trailer:
I don't know why D. Kurt reacted that way. Maybe because of WW who was deleted and he is new to the post. I think he will see that you are a civil person and always trying to find the truth without insulting anybody.
Your questions are very good one thoughtful. I hope that my answers will satisfy you.
1.- If you read the first draft of the Balfour declaration there was an indication of really having a Nation-State, but they also knew the opposition of the Arabs there since 1929 when the first Kibuttziim were already functioning. So it was toned down to say "homeland" that permits immigration to the area. This remember also in the middle or World war I. We had no idea how this war would finish in 1917, despite Russian withdrawal in Brest- Litovsk Treaty.
Yet, Jews continued moving and bought more land and continue to emigrate. Then the First war finishes and the Allies form the League of Nations, which did allowed Poland to become again an independent nation because that was # 13 of the President Wilson's points. A reconstituted Poland. There is nothing in the 14 point re Israel. I honestly do not know what was Wilson's thinking on this.
The British and the French, because of the USA's isolationism, acted like they acted on the Congress of Vienna 1815.: This land will be for me, and this will be for you and let's see that Germany does not create another war. The French since then wanted to break Germany in two. They were truly afraid of them. since the Battle of Sedan. So British take Middle East and the French Lebanon- Syria, and also take away the German colonies in Africa.
2.- Terrorism; It starts right away after the mandate: with the Mufti in 1920 Three years after Balfour: There was a pilgrimage to celebrate in Jerusalem the Moslem festival of Nebi Musa and the Mufti used this occasion to riot. In August 1929.
Later, the rumor went that the Jews had burned aA Aksa mosque in Jerusalem and they rioted again. This continued until the great uprising in 1936: 517 Jews were killed, I have no idea of the toll on the Arab side. Jill told me, that maybe it was better that there were mandates, because then all would have been in the MUfti's hands. Maybe she is completely right. These thoughts are retrospective and we can't know!
3.- The White paper in 1939 was to stop immigration because of the rioting of the Arabs in 1936. They also knew that Hitler was making preparations for WWII and they needed all the soldiers in Europe instead of the Middle East. Yes, there was a small amount of immigration known as Aliyah B. At nigh with small boats, and Israelis already prepared to receive these boats with clothing, so by the time the British discovered them they could no know who was new and who was a resident already. Not many came this way.
In the New York times of 15, October 1938 ( one month before Kristallnacht in Germany) wrote: Extremist Arabs are rapidly organizing to defeat each other. This time it was Arabs extremists followers of the Mufti attacking lots of moderate Arabs. No Israeli casualties as far as I know.
4.- During the WWII. the Jewish settlement ( called Yishuv) stopped the war with the British , and actually formed several brigades that fought on the side of the Allies in Europe, despite the danger of any Jews that could fall into the hands of the Nazis. At the same time the Mufti spent the time oft he war in Berlin in Eichmann's payroll.
5.- After the vote in 1947 November 27, in December the attacks to Jewish buses running from one place to another.: 39 Jews were killed in the refineries in Haifa. Again I do not know how many they were killed on the Arab side.
A month before the Declaration of independence, and against international rules, buses of hospital and ambulances were ambushed 36 doctors and nurses were killed and 21 wounded. Obviously, these people did not carry ammunition so I am sure there were no casualties on the Arab side.
6.- I am not sure if Ben Gurion announced beforehand that he would declare independence on Friday May 14, 1948. What I do know is that he declared it after the last Brit was out. They left the post office, the Airport, Civil offices to the Arabs. We just need to talk about BBC to know how the British stood in this issues. The British were very ambivalent, at the same time that they had Balfour, they were also Arabists (Lawrence of Arabia).
7.- To make matter worse remember that the Vatican wanted Jerusalem internationalized under its aegis. This was not acceptable to neither Jews nor Arabs, Israel declared Jerusalem as its capital and up to today most embassies are in Tel - Aviv and they must travel to Jerusalem to conduct political issues in the Knesset.
One part of Jerusalem stayed under Jordanian aegis and surprisingly nobody protested....... Jerusalem had been one city, except 1948-1967 ( and remember that theIisraelis asked King Hussein not to intervene in this war, he didn't heed the pleas, and Israel recovered all of Jerusalem. Now there are complaints!

8.- The war of independence was a self- defense war against five Arab States that invaded with the clear purpose to push all the Jews to the sea. The British were already out and the UN was not there yet. So it was a war of self-determination as a Nation state.
I hope this helps and I look forward to more conversations with you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 4:44:12 PM PST
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Jill Malter says:
Rachel,

No, the bunny does not have a name. Can you think of a good, secular name for it?

European,

It's obvious that the 1939 White Paper violated the Mandate. Even Franklin Roosevelt was puzzled that the British would abandon its promise in such a manner. But you are right that the British did want to try a one-state solution, and it clearly failed.

The Jews of 1939 to 1941 were very reluctant to fight the British because they feared that a Nazi victory would be a disaster. But they did want to try to persuade the British to allow Jews to escape from Europe. After the US entered the war, when the main question was not whether the Nazis would win (they clearly would not) but whether any European Jews would survive, it made more sense to fight the British. Even then, the Jews still fought alongisde the British in order to try to shorten the war. Of course, after the war, once Labour reneged so totally on its promises, the Jews almost all sided very strongly against Britain.

The Israeli War of Independence was mostly against the British until the British finally agreed to withdraw (and actually withdrew). After the 1947 UN vote, it was mostly against the Arabs. It was not against the UN per se, but it was against Count Bernadotte, who surely was the equivalent of at least an Arab division.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 6:41:35 PM PST
Rachel says:
Jill:
Did you agree with the points I made for European Trailer? I did not think at all about Count Bernadotte at all you are right!
If it is a male bunny can we call him Misha ( I think it is kitty in Russian) if it is a female bunny margalith (a perl). These two are good suggestions: secular names but it is your bunny and you give it the name!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 8:08:53 PM PST
Jill Malter says:
Rachel,

Nice names, but let's just call it "bunny."

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2008 8:16:30 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 9, 2008 8:14:34 AM PST
Rachel says:
European: I answered you all the questions you asked me. Jill also added to it.
I want to know your reaction because obviously already someone voted it no. Please answer me!!!!!
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