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Two-thirds of Americans would like to see the Supreme Court strike down all or part of ObamaCare, according to a new poll conducted by The New York Times and CBS.


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Posted on Jun 28, 2012 9:14:32 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
The States are sovereign entities under the Constitution. They can nullify Obamacare until he's out of office.

Obama only enforces laws he agrees with, which executive nullification. The States can do that too, and the States have police power under the Constitution, not the Federal government.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 9:20:02 PM PDT
Intrepid says:
But the states depend on the Federal government for CMS funds which can and in some cases are withheld for noncompliance. Some programs are matched and the matched funds are held back for non-compliance.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 9:30:06 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
That's a good point and it is further illustrated by the plight of Arizona. The current administration is vindictive enough to withhold everything it can to punish entire states for offending the Campaigner in Chief.

States, however, have rights under the Constitution and they can outlast Obama. I suspect it will be a moot point after November. Obama will be an upleasant memory and firmly ensconced as the worst president we've ever had.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 9:38:23 PM PDT
Intrepid says:
Nah, historians reserve that for Harding - deservedly.

You may disagree with many or even most of his policies but historians do not rate Obama as one of the worst. They really do not.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 9:40:48 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
With all due respect, they will.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 9:49:39 PM PDT
Intrepid says:
He has arguably done a lot better than Hoover and FDR. You have to consider the times and preexisting conditions. Not simply the solutions in vacuum.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 10:59:37 PM PDT
harry lime says:
And that's why this so-called win is probably going to boomerang on him.

Americans seemed excited about the idea of having some sort of health care coverage up until they learned they would have to pay for it!

Now they just hope that it goes away.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 11:04:57 PM PDT
harry lime says:
When some say they like the health plan, what they're really saying is that they like President Obama and want him to remain president.

That's what the discussion on this has become for many; a referendum on him.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 11:07:10 PM PDT
harry lime says:
They're no more 'wrong' than the four members of the Supreme Court who agree with them. They're just on the losing side.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 11:11:16 PM PDT
harry lime says:
Vetoes can be overridden.

And you're assuming he'll still be around to veto it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 11:26:48 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012 12:58:18 AM PDT
nameinuse says:
There is slim to none chance that at this point in time Obamacare will be repealed. Because when presented in bits, it's wildly popular and if they were to repeal it, Congress would have to repeal it one little piece at a time.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 12:48:42 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012 12:51:56 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
You still don't get it? You pay on average about $1200 per year for the care of other people in your health insurance *now*. Do you want people to be more responsible for themselves? If so, then ACA does that by having people pay into a system similar to the German private insurance run health care system instead of taking the chance of going bare and being wiped out if they bet wrong that they are invulnerable.

Do you have a teen or twenty year old up to age 26 who cannot afford her own health insurance? This allows you to cover her under your plan rather than her going without. It is about being more responsible for yourself. If you have a preexisting condition, you cannot be dumped.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 5:37:21 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012 5:42:37 AM PDT
Since it is just another tax law (which Obama lied about, imagine that), Congress can vote to repeal the law.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 9:12:08 AM PDT
Captain says:
I agree. The concern of the voters that was expressed in the November 2010 congressional elections is back front and center.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 9:27:52 AM PDT
Did somebody make this argument?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 3:48:06 PM PDT
Rover says:
Obama won't be president when this law is vetoed.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 3:49:41 PM PDT
Rover says:
Weeeee!

This has nothing to do with that.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 3:53:00 PM PDT
Oh please yes please delude yourselves that 2012 will be fought on the same terrain as 2010. Please! Watching Mitt Romneycare trying to get his story straight about whether he'll take away protections for pre-existing conditions for millions of Americans instead of trying to sell his economic fantasies sounds like a real winner!

As ever acute analysis from the guy who predicted two terms for Newt and 'Gadaffi wins!' in the Libyan conflict.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 4:33:24 PM PDT
Diva says:
Intrepid says:
Nah, historians reserve that for Harding - deservedly.

You may disagree with many or even most of his policies but historians do not rate Obama as one of the worst. They really do not.

As things stand right now it's too early to rate him by Historians. He is now being rated by Politicians.
After November he moves into history and will qualify to be rated by Historians.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 4:37:58 PM PDT
Diva says:
"Oh please yes please delude yourselves that 2012 will be fought on the same terrain as 2010."

And you deduced all that just by watching Mitt?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 11:29:31 PM PDT
harry lime says:
You sounded like Al Gore explaining that.

Think about it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 11:59:43 PM PDT
Ryan S. Hupp says:
yuo tell em aint nobody wanna hear them book facts or lernin words

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 5:35:44 AM PDT
Tiercel says:
'Americans seemed excited about the idea of having some sort of health care coverage up until they learned they would have to pay for it!"

...nah, just the freeloaders...

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 7:16:25 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 16, 2012 7:57:52 AM PDT
C. King says:
I am not suggesting that Obama will be "ensconced as the worst president....", but how do historians rate him before is term is over?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 7:55:09 AM PDT
C. King says:
How many people that do not have health care can afford it? If one has an emergency and can't pay for his care, he is sued by the hospital and doctors. If he doesn't pay his credit is ruined. Also, many responsible people pay for health insurance that covers only a fraction of their healthcare. If they are low income and have a major medical emergency they too are wiped out and someone else has to pay for it.
As for the child up to 26 being covered by their parents, who pays for it? Many family plans cost three or four times as much as for employee and spouse. If your employer pays for all the premiums then the employer is footing the bill for your grown child or children. This is being responsible?
True now if you have a preexisting condition, you cannot be dumped; but, it goes further. If you have aids or cancer you can not be refused insurance. This could cost the insurance companies up to a million dollars for each such patient. Everyone's premiums will go up to pay for this.
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