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Gutsy call? Not at all. Former Attorney general Says Kill-Osama Memo Was "Heavily Lawyered" To Throw All Blame on Admiral McRaven If It Failed.


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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 8:55:49 AM PDT
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Leonard Fleising:

I'm pretty sure you already know that your family name means "diligent, hard-working" in German. You certainly showed quite admirable diligence in putting together your longish posts wherein you referenced a West Point grad friend and his informed take on the situation.

To the three people who voted NO on that first post, let me just say that this proves you to be hopeless ideologues incapable of basic fairness or intellectual honesty. You might find yourself more at home on other forums.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 8:57:43 AM PDT
Eagle Eye says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:02:47 AM PDT
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Tyrone:

Yes, I also got a good chuckle when I read that Paul Bremer was somehow a product of leftist pressure groups. That's a little like saying that Reinhard Heydrich was sent into Czechoslovakia as a result of pressure from human rights groups in Berlin.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:05:23 AM PDT
Kevin says:
"Former Attorney general Says Kill-Osama Memo Was "Heavily Lawyered" To Throw All Blame on Admiral McRaven If It Failed."

Good!

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:06:46 AM PDT
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Kevin says:
"we would never have heard a word about this operation if it had gone wrong, and you know it."

A great strategy, don't you think?

But it did not go wrong and obama takes the credit, and this is killing you righties. I am loving it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:09:27 AM PDT
Eagle Eye:

Let me assure you that I believe that President Obama is capable of doing a lot of wrong, and that he has frequently done so. (Quite often when he has bent his principles to try to effect a deal with the congressional Republicans.) But I must say that on balance, his presidency so far does deserve a positive rating. And Leonard Fleisig's posts here, as well as some of the shorter posts, convince me that the president deserves a clear measure of credit for that action in Abbottobad.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:18:18 AM PDT
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Rev. Otter says:
<<More likely it would have simple been consider another failed mission, and the public would never know about it.>>

just like the public never, EVER knew about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

/how often am i gonna have to link to historical precedent?
//obvious facts are obvious

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:23:33 AM PDT
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Eagle Eye says:
I give the president credit for giving the order to take OBL out. What I have a problem with is when people deny that he didn't word the order in such a way as to have an out should things have gone wrong. Obama isn't the only president that has done the same thing, some worked some didn't. Kennedy and the bay of pigs worked, Carter in Iran didn't, Nixon and Watergate didn't while Reagan and Iran Contra did. All presidents and CEO's cover their butts when possible.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:27:09 AM PDT
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Rev. Otter says:
<<What I have a problem with is when people deny that he didn't word the order in such a way as to have an out should things have gone wrong.>>

i never denied it. i'm sure every level of CYA was employed and working overtime. i simply said that no carefully-worded memo would shield him from blame.

given how much right wingers want Obama's head for a *success*, they'd be that much more out for blood if it had been a *failure*. do you honestly think a memo would satisfy them?

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:28:55 AM PDT
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Kevin says:
"Obama isn't the only president that has done the same thing, some worked some didn't. "

But this one worked, which is why there are so many right-wing headless chickens banging against the wall. If the operation had failed, we would not hear the end of it, and all the blame would be placed on Obama by the same wingnuts who do not want to give him any credit.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:33:47 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:37:20 AM PDT
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Rev. Otter says:
be honest for a minute Eagle Eye -- would YOU have blamed the scapegoat, rather than Obama?

if not, why do you think anyone else would? :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:45:49 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:47:35 AM PDT
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Kevin says:
"And all the Kool Aid drinkers would have been blaming everything from the Seals to Bush as the reason for the failure "

But your tinfoil-brain buddy Healthpro just said, ""we would never have heard a word about this operation if it had gone wrong, and you know it."

So, which is it now? We would not hear about it, or we would and blame everybody but Obama?

You righties need to get your stories straight.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 9:50:55 AM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
it really sounds like you agree that a scapegoat would *not* have shielded Obama from public fallout, but you just don't want to come out and say it for some weird reason.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 10:27:32 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 10:48:19 AM PDT
Thank you Richard.
Yes, my name was originally spelled with two 's's, the German way when we came over here. I was always asked by my teachers if I was willing to live up to my name.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 10:49:31 AM PDT
Geez, read my original post on the matter. What you are referring to is a repost after I was called a liar.
If you don't want to try to rebut it, fine, that will speak for itself.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 10:53:27 AM PDT
I know I've blasted him here on the NDA and agreed (probably with John Lane) that it was an attack on freedom. There's more but anyone who has read my posts over time will know this to be the case.

And you still keep deflecting because you still want to avoid discussing or explaining why your 100% loathing (or the loathing of you ideological comprades if not you) is different in any way from the 100% admiration you see in others.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 10:55:21 AM PDT
bperr says:
i would like that question to be asked to everyone who posts here....

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 11:07:09 AM PDT
Eagle Eye says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 11:12:16 AM PDT
You did not read my post did you?
I was directly quoting a career officer, a friend.
Go back and read and maybe answer the question.
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