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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 6:44:51 AM PDT
Ku says:

"The Zionist Bankers."

Haha. It was da Jooos. Of course, Davey. That's what this thread is all about.
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Well, the Zionists probably had more connections in the US admin then the Muslims did. Just a coincidence of course, I'm sure there must have been some sympathetic Jihadis in the FAA, FBI or CIA.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 6:45:58 AM PDT
Ryan says:
Suetonius says:
Whoever posted it seems to find it amazing that the columns in the Towers were broken.
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Great example of how the facts fail to impress you. "broken" thats like saying "whoops" as you drop an atomic bomb..

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 6:49:17 AM PDT
Suet says:
What would you expect them to look like if they had in fact been "broken" in the collapse?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 6:52:58 AM PDT
Ku says:
Zionists, Jihadis, any kind of extremists, Nick.

They have a strict no-normal-peeps policy in the USG.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 6:53:23 AM PDT
Ryan says:
9/11 SPIKE TV Metal Of Honor - WTC Steel Beams Bent Like Pretzels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEezpMwifqs

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 6:55:18 AM PDT
Charles says:
AAHHHH !!! you see these photos as photos of broken columns. Then you lack the knowledge to recognize the evidence. That's fine, if you are being honest then there no problem and it doesn't change anything. If you haven't searched for or been able to see facts that go against your views then I see what the others speak of in your refusing to debate.
I have no problem accepting my first view of you as fact.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 6:57:19 AM PDT
Ku says:
I should've read Castliglione's 'Book of the Courtier' before I started to post here.

Influenced the ideals of the English gentleman in the 17th C.

This is no arena to learn fine manners.

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 7:04:28 AM PDT
Ryan says:
The series details the weeks leading up to the Apocalypse. It features a chaotic and increasingly unstable global political situation in which nuclear alerts are accidentally triggered by malfunctioning Space Invaders machines and the naive U.S. President Johnny Cyclops (an obvious Ronald Reagan parody, played by Barry Morse) is advised by an insane right-wing fundamentalist security advisor, called The Deacon, who claims to have a direct hotline to God. (The Deacon was so named because of the previous role of the actor who played him (John Barron) as a Cathedral Dean in the sitcom All Gas and Gaiters; the writers claimed not to know at the time that Alexander Haig, Reagan's first Secretary of State, was known as The Vicar in the White House.)

In the Eastern Hemisphere, things are similarly unstable. Soviet Premier Dubienkin (Richard Griffiths) is in fact a series of clones, which keep dying and being replaced. Meanwhile the deposed Shah of Iran, Shah Massiq Rassim (Bruce Montague), led by his advisor Abdab (David Kelly) who is always blindfolded to avoid looking upon the Shah's magnificence, is shunted around the world in search of a refuge (spending most of the series in a cross channel ferry's toilet).

The main danger is the Deacon's development of a new super-powerful American nuclear weapon. This is originally called the Johnny Cyclops Bomb; later, when the President vetoes the name, it is renamed the Quark Bomb (Formerly Known As The Johnny Cyclops Bomb After The President Of The Same Name). The Deacon arranges for Lacrobat (John Cleese), a disguised international arms smuggler nicknamed The Devil (a parody of Carlos the Jackal), to steal a Quark Bomb and take it to Iran, to help the Shah in his counterrevolution. The Soviets get word of this (via Rassim's parrot) and decide to invade, gaining control over the world's oil supply.

The Soviets have a new ally in British Prime Minister Kevin Pork (Peter Jones) who heads an especially left-wing Labour government. Pork has gone insane and believes himself to be Superman. The British foreign secretary is blackmailed by the Soviets to join the Warsaw Pact. This situation so unnerves the foreign secretary (Geoffrey Palmer) and the Chancellor of the Exchequer (Richard Davies) that they don Green Lantern and Hawkman costumes, and are locked up in a padded cell at 10 Downing St.

The Soviets are also holding two elderly American tourists named Jonathan and Martha Hopper captive, convinced they are secretly CIA spies, and they are constantly tortured by Commissar Alex Solzhenitsyn ("no relation", played by Alexei Sayle). This turns out to be true, but the Hoppers are crushed by a helicopter in a bungled CIA rescue operation. This does not help Cyclops's popularity rating, which is just below that of Charles Manson. The Deacon stages an assassination attempt in order to help Cyclops' flagging popularity, but it is damaged further when the ambulance carrying Cyclops to the hospital accidentally runs over his main opponent. By the end of the series we're told he's less popular than the Boston Strangler. (These developments are followed by a dramatic newsreader named Jay Garrick, and his topless female counterpart across the Atlantic.)

Eventually the Quark Bomb is accidentally detonated in Israel when Lacrobat's attempt to prevent it being incinerated goes horribly wrong, destroying the country and killing most of the US army who were stationed there. Meanwhile the Shah, who has temporarily been given sanctuary aboard a space shuttle, manages to crash it into the Moscow Kremlin. Believing it to be a bomb, the Russians launch their weapons at America. In the final scene Soviet missiles are on their way to obliterate the United States and President Cyclops has to decide whether to retaliate. The title sequence already showed the aftermath of the decision, Earth reduced to a nuclear wasteland. In a final twist, we discover that the woman we see in the title sequence selling buttons reading "WEAR YOUR MUSHROOM WITH PRIDE" is in fact the First Lady, who was hidden in a fallout shelter and is one of the few survivors of the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whoops_Apocalypse

Anybody seen this, sounds really kool..

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:07:32 AM PDT
Suet says:
The optimist says: "This bottle is nine tenths full."
The pessimist says: "No, it's one tenth empty."
The truther says: "No, the Zionists stole a tenth, it's their modus operandi!"

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:13:05 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2012 7:14:57 AM PDT
Suet says:
Recently I posted about a dozen "factual" claims that are propagated by truther sites. All of those claims are demonstrably FALSE.

But who expects any different of truthers? Not even truthers, apparently. The truthers here refused to discuss them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:16:04 AM PDT
Charles says:
Krystal says:

Suetonius says:
Whoever posted it seems to find it amazing that the columns in the Towers were broken.
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Great example of how the facts fail to impress you. "broken" thats like saying "whoops" as you drop an atomic bomb

Hello Krystal
Are you a Star trek Fan ? There was a show that was put out in which a Klingon Crew and the crew of the enterprise with Kirk were brought together and they went to battle. After relixing that all of those that had been killed were being brought back to life to battle on, Kirk relized that they were being manipulated by an outside force. An entitiy with great power had brought them together and was bringing the dead back so that the battle could continue.
The entity thrived on anger and bad feelings, it was feeding off the battle between the two sides. There are peole like that in these boards , they have no real interest in anything other than feeding off termoil they can create.
Humans are a strange animal indeed !

Peace
Charles

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:17:52 AM PDT
Suet says:
Who grabbed the termoil?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:24:49 AM PDT
"There will never be a nuclear war; there's too much real estate involved."

Frank Zappa

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:27:06 AM PDT
Ryan says:
Whoops Apocalypse Full 1/7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yYdUWsXAfs&feature=related

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:29:11 AM PDT
Ryan says:
Hello Krystal
Are you a Star trek Fan ?
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Yes of course..

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 7:29:42 AM PDT
Ryan says:
Shut up all of you and watch the movie..

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:31:54 AM PDT
Suet says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whoops_Apocalypse

I saw it when it was first shown, which was .. erm .. some years ago.
It was quite funny.

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 7:32:41 AM PDT
Charles says:
Bottom line is that it wasn't Israel that had all the evidence shipped to China under gaurd to prevent a proper investigation. Was Israel in collusion with those that created this disaster, that would be speculatory.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:33:50 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2012 7:34:06 AM PDT
Ku says:
'Humans are a strange animal indeed.'

Or as Roald Dahl's B.F.G. would say: the human bean is a funny bean.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:37:25 AM PDT
Suet says:
10 REASONS WHY THE WTC TOWERS COULD NOT HAVE COLLAPSED

1. They were designed to withstand airliners, mamathermite, nukes, big ray guns, etc. Underwriters Laboratories certified this.

2. If they had collapsed at free-fall speed, they would have fallen through to China in 45 minutes. Instead it took several months for the steel to get there.

3. The Empire State Building didn't collapse when an airplane hit it, and that was built when New York was still in the Empire.

4. If two buildings that size had collapsed, the shockwaves would have started a tsunami that would have wiped out New Jersey. Somebody would have noticed.

5. Richard Gage's cardboard boxes didn't collapse when he dropped them, so why would buildings made of steel and concrete collapse?

6. No other 110-storey building has ever collapsed.

7. Each storey was 12 ft high. It takes 0.87 secs for an object to fall 12 ft. Do the math: 110 x 0.87 = 95.7. It would have taken over a minute and a half for one of those towers to collapse!

8. The pyroclastic clouds would have suffocated everybody in Manhattan. See #4.

9. The New World Order loves tall buildings, that's why they hang out at the UN. They would never have allowed it.

10. How could two 1300 ft buildings collapse without damaging the surroundings? At least one other building would have collapsed later.

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 9:31:38 AM PDT
Ryan says:
I just finished the movie, it showed how the British film industry decayed and died..Had a few good bits, like the x-pres serving life in a quarry. Politicians being punished with crucifiction..

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 8:21:30 PM PDT
Ryan says:
CIA documents show US never believed Gary Powers was shot down

U-2 pilot Gary Powers, a few weeks before his suspicious death in a helicopter crash in LA, revealed that he did not believe his plane was shot down by the Soviets and indicated sabotage on the part of the CIA instead, in order to undermine the possibility of detente between Eisenhower and Kruschev. It is not a "conspiracy theory" that Lee Harvey Oswald, one of nine Office of Naval Intelligence fake defectors who went to the USSR in the same month, told ONI's Richard Snyder at the American Embassy in Moscow that he was going to reveal the U-2 secrets to the Soviets. Oswald had been stationed, as a Marine, at every base the U-2 operated from, including Atsugi, Japan and tracked it by radar. He had a Crypto clearance. Those things are in the historical record. It is not likely that he gave up any such information or would have been allowed to. Snyder kept Oswald's proffered passport and did not act on his renunciation of US citizenship. Snyder returned the passport to Oswald on his way out of Russia with his new bride Marina, transportation paid by the State Department. Nice treatment for a defector who gave secrets to the Soviets. Marina even got Oswald's story confused with another ONI defector, Robert Webster, when she testified to the Warren Commission about how her husband got to the Soviet Union and where he lived in Moscow. However if sabotage of the detente was in the planning, it would have been useful to use the Oswald deception to explain how the Soviets could track and shoot down the U-2. This article suggests that Powers himself might have been a false defector as well. What is clear is that Powers did not buy the official story. John Judge
The London Times
May 1, 2010

CIA documents show US never believed Gary Powers was shot down
Giles Whittell, Washington Correspondent

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7113512.ece

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The legendary U.S. pilot Francis Gary Powers
Gary Powers in his pressure suit in front of his U2 spyplane. His mission was to fly for nine hours across the Soviet Union photographing suspected nuclear weapon sites and bomber landing fields

At 8.52 this morning a normally garrulous American is to observe a moment's silence outside the Lubyanka, headquarters of what used to be the KGB in central Moscow. He will be there to honour the good name of his father, Francis Gary Powers, whose reputation has suffered for half a century by association with one of the most enduring mysteries of the Cold War.

Fifty years ago today, in a full-body pressure suit and helmet, Powers was slammed forward against the canopy of his U2 spyplane 70,000ft above central Russia by a Soviet surface-to-air missile exploding close behind him. The blast wave dismembered the plane, tearing off first its tail section and then its wings, but leaving its pilot miraculously unhurt.

In an outer pocket of his suit Powers carried a suicide pin that he chose not to use. He hit the ground in shock but with hardly a scratch. By that evening he was in Moscow, in the Lubyanka. The shooting down and survival of Powers changed the course of history: it wrecked a superpower summit at which President Eisenhower and Nikita Khrushchev, the Soviet Premier, had hoped to launch a new era of détente.

What was not known until the recent declassification of CIA documents seen by The Times, was that top US officials never believed Powers' account of his fateful flight because it appeared to be directly contradicted by a report from the National Security Agency, the clandestine US network of codebreakers and listening posts.

The NSA report remains classified, possibly to spare the blushes of its authors. For it is now possible to piece together what really happened high over Sverdlovsk on May Day 1960 and to understand why America's most secretive intelligence agency got it so wrong.

According to a summary presented this week by Matthew Aid, the world's leading authority on the NSA, the agency's report described Soviet military air traffic controllers as after an aircraft that - far from breaking up at close to 70,000ft as Powers later claimed - descended slowly from 65,000 to 34,000ft, changed course and disappeared from their radar screens. If true, this would have meant that Powers was at best a liar and conceivably a traitor. According to one rumour circulated without discouragement from the CIA after the shooting down, he descended to a safe height, baled out and spent his first night as a defector in a Sverdlovsk nightclub.

Newly released documents from a secret inquiry into his conduct carried out in 1962, by which time the CIA had swapped him for a Soviet spy and exhaustively debriefed him, show that some in the agency still believed that the Russians might have hypnotised, drugged or brainwashed him to force him to change his story.

The truth was less bizarre but no less remarkable. Powers took off from Peshawar in northern Pakistan after three tense days spent waiting for the weather along his route to clear. His mission was to fly for nine hours, on a breakfast of steak and eggs, directly over half a dozen of the Soviet Union's most sensitive nuclear sites, photographing them and landing hundreds of miles north of the Arctic Circle on the Norwegian coast. Within minutes the entire Soviet Air Defence system was being mobilised on an order from Mr Khrushchev to bring him down at any cost. Captain Mikhail Voronov, commander of a missile battalion south of Sverdlovsk (now Yekaterinburg), was woken by an alarm at 7am.

"At first I thought it was a drill," he said in an interview at his home on the Black Sea. "It was not a drill. I was planning to walk over from the barracks to give my soldiers their traditional May Day congratulations. Instead I ran. We all ran. We rushed to our positions and when we got there I told my commander that my battalion was ready to fire." At about 8.45am Powers appeared as a dot on Captain Voronov's radar screen. A single rocket was launched and minutes later the screen appeared to indicate a direct hit. Yet Captain Voronov could not be sure. He did not report it until word reached his control cabin half an hour later that a pilot had fallen to earth nearby under a parachute.

It is now clear that in that half hour, with the U2 already strewn across the Russian countryside, two Soviet MiG pilots circling over Sverdlovsk were ordered to intercept and ram, if necessary. One of them, Lieutenant Sergei Safronov, was hit by a stray rocket from another battalion. He baled out, dying of his injuries on the way down, but the radar trace created by his plane closely matched the one described by NSA. The agency almost certainly mistook Lieutenant Safronov for Powers. Mr Aid said this week that the NSA misread its own vaunted signals intelligence. The agency has never conceded anything. In the absence of hard evidence from independent witnesses about what happened to

Powers' U2, conspiracy theories have sprouted like weeds. According to one, crucial information on his flight was passed in advance to Soviet intelligence by Lee Harvey Oswald, President Kennedy's assassin and a former junior radar operator at a U2 base in Japan. In another, advanced by James Nathan of the University of Alabama, Powers was either a pawn or an accomplice in a US plot to derail détente. Last month Professor Nathan said that he still believed the entire affair was cooked.

Yesterday, in Moscow, Gary Powers Jr said that it had taken the US Government 40 years to set the record straight about his father. He was being generous. It has taken 50, and the record still has kinks in it.

Giles Whittell is Washington Correspondent and the author of Bridge of Spies, an account of the U2 affair and the spy swap that followed it, published later this year.

The man behind the story

* Francis Gary Powers, born in Jenkins, Kentucky in 1929, was a combat pilot in the 468th Strategic Fighter Squadron. He was a veteran of covert aerial reconnaissance missions

* After the U2 incident he served 18 months of a ten-year sentence handed down by a Soviet military tribunal in 1960 in a prison about 160 kilometres east of Moscow

* He was released in exchange for the Russian spy known as Colonel Rudolph Abel

* When he returned to the US, Powers worked initially as a test pilot before becoming a helicopter pilot for a Los Angeles television station. He died in August 1977 when his helicopter ran out of fuel

http://politicalassassinations.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/cia-documents-show-us-never-believed-gary-powers-was-shot-down/

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 8:27:05 PM PDT
Ryan says:
Martin Hinrichs:
Some of you may missed the plot to kill JFK in Chicago on november 2.

A former Secret Service agent, Abraham Bolden has told WLS-TV there was a plot to kill President Kennedy in Chicago three weeks before he was assassinated in Dallas.

Lee Harvey Oswald would never have had the chance to kill Kennedy in Dallas, had an assassination plot in Chicago succeeded three weeks earlier, a plot that has been mentioned over the years.

Kennedy was due to arrive in Chicago the morning of Nov. 2 to attend the Army-Air Force football game at Soldier Field and ride in a parade. Newspapers had even printed JFK's detailed travel plan from O'Hare airport to the Loop.

Although police were preparing to line the motorcade route, Secret Service officials in Chicago were deeply troubled about the visit because of two secret threats.

Thomas Arthur Vallee was chosen for the same scapegoat role that Lee Harvey Oswald would play three week later in Dallas.
While most of the Chigaco Secret Service agents were scrambling to locate an arrest all four members of the snipers team before the president's Saturday, November 2 arrival, two agents were acting on another threat.
The Secret Service office had also received a tip that Thomas Arthur Vallee, an aliened ex-Marine, had threatened to kill Kennedy in Chicago.
Thomas Arthur Vallee was quickly identified from intelligence sources as an ex-Marine who was a disaffiliated member of the John Birch Society, a far right organization obsessed with communist subversion in the United States.
Vallee was also described as a loner, a parnoid schizophrenic, and a gun collector.
He hit perfectly the *lone nut* profile that would later be used to characterize ex-Marine Lee Harvey Oswald.

Two Chicago police officers, Daniel Groth and Peter Schurla , were assigned to task.
After watching Vallee for hours, both men arrested him on Saturday, Novemver 2 at 9:10 am. 2,5 hours before
JFK was was due in at O'Hare Airport.
Thomas Vallee had been led along a trail that LHO would follow after him.
Vallee told that he had been assigned by the marines to a U2 base in Japan. Vallee thereby came under the control of the CIA, which commanded the U2, just as Oswald would come under the CIA controls as a radar operator at another CIA U-2 base in Japan.

In August 1963 as Oswald was preparing to move from New Orleans back to Dallas, Valle moved from New York back to Chicago.
Just as Oswald got a job in a warehouse right over Kennedy's future motorcaderoute in Dallas, so, too, did Vallee get a job in a warehouse right over Kennedy's future motorcaderoute in Chicago.

A prepared "patsy" that has never become famous.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 8:39:04 PM PDT
Ryan says:
The license plate and registration on the 1962 Ford Falcon that Vallee was driving on November 1st in Chicago was New York Registration License plate # 311-ORF and was registered in the name of Lee Harvey Oswald. This is 21 days prior to President Kennedy's assassination and the world knowing the name Oswald.

In research at The National Archives in Washington of The Assassination files of 25 Million documents it turned up that in fact NY plate 311-ORF at the Vallee Traffic stop was registered in the Name of Lee Harvey Oswald. Documents declassified also state that same car in Dallas Texas at the time of the assassination. The detailed information with the New York State Department of Motor Vehicles is still withheld by order of The US Secret Service and The FBI. In the 1960's license plate in the Hudson Valley were coded OR for Orange County, UL which meant Ulster County, SU was Sullivan County and DU was Dutchess County. Of the 25 Million documents in The JFK Assassination archives, there is a 6 page Secret Service report about a trip of President Kennedy to Stewart Air Force Base, (Newburgh, NY) and of him being shadowed by two member of George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 8:53:40 PM PDT
Ryan says:
Career: CIA connections: As a boy, Lee's favorite television show was "I Led Three Lives," a 1953 series based on the true-life exploits of Herbert Philbrick, an FBI agent who worked undercover as a communist sympathizer infiltrating communist cells and suspected subversive groups. In New Orleans during the summer of 1955, Lee attended meetings of the Civil Air Patrol. His commander was David Ferrie, who was later found by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison to have extensive conspiratorial ties to the assassination. The Civil Air Patrol was co-founded by wealthy Dallas oilman David Harold Byrd. At the time of the assassination, Byrd had been the sole owner of the Texas School Book Depository building since the 1930s. (The Texas Theater, in which Oswald was arrested, was built in the 1930s by billionaire Texan and CIA contractor Howard Hughes. The closeness of these men to the CIA makes it all but certain that their properties would become clandestinely used by spies. The use of movie theaters for secret rendezvous had long been a staple of espionage tradecraft, and other Hughes properties were put to similar use.)

http://www.famoustexans.com/leeharveyoswald.htm
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