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Do you mind having to show I.d. to vote?

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In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 10:01:20 AM PDT
2/2 Tango says:
Reed N.D. Dark:

Most office staff would certainly recognize their mothers, or even patients that had been there before - first timers, not so much, and practices need new patients to survive.

Most of us would rather not have to identify people - but we're required to verify that identity.

So we do what is "normal." We don't rely on coin tosses, reading of chicken bones thrown in a circle or lie detector's tests. We ask for photo ID to prove we have satisfied the government requirement of verification of identification.

I hope all went well with your wife in her February experience in ER. Please believe me when I tell you that most health care personnel, including physicians, would much rather spend all their time trying to help the patient - not swimming in a sewer of regulatory compliance.

I just spent a week in D.C. - it's still beautiful. We had never been to the Holocaust Museum - we spent half a day there and could have stayed longer, so much to see and do.

Posted on May 14, 2012 10:04:12 AM PDT
Bob says:
Do I mind showing ID? No.

Do I mind that some people it may cause a problem for? Yes

Do I mind investing a ton of money into a system which will lower voter turn out and amount to poll workers simply doing a name check (not really doing anything for actual fraud)? Yes

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 11:33:17 AM PDT
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We ask for photo ID to prove we have satisfied the government requirement of verification of identification.
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But you disallow any of the other ways you could verify identity?

While your method certainly ought to satisfy the requirement of the law (even though we actually know it doesn't necessarily prove anything), it is far from the only way the requirement could be met.

So are you telling us that you've made the choice to only allow that method of verifying identity, and turn away all those who cannot do so? If a patient forgets to bring their ID with them to an appointment, do you turn them away even if you know who they are, or do you falsely claim to have looked at their photo ID card?

Here in Oregon, drivers licenses last for 8 years. If you move, you get a sticker to put on top of the old address. If that sticker (which isn't laminated) become unreadable, technically the card is not a valid ID card. Would you turn away a patient because their sticker was unreadable, or would you claim to have checked a valid photo ID even if you have not?

If you say to me, well, even though it's technically not a valid ID card, it was enough to establish their identity, then how would you reconcile that with other times that you knew who someone was, but turned them away because they didn't have a valid photo ID?

Or do you get all loosey-goosey with this choice of requiring photo ID as the only way to verify ID? I mean, after all, the law doesn't require you to check photo IDs, so you *could* choose to verify identity some other way.

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 11:45:07 AM PDT
2/2 Tango says:
Warren:

When you open an office to provide health care you can run it as you see fit, within certain parameters - we do the same in ours.

In the office next to ours is a Cardiologist - he will often dismiss patients from his practice within 2 years if they continue to refuse referrals to weight loss specialists. He says there are too many patients who truly need his services to spend his time with those who won't accept at least partial responsibility for their health care.

There's a Pulmonologist here who has the same policy with smokers.

There's a reason it's called PRIVATE practice - and those who still have them make all sorts of decisions you might not agree with - you're free to find an office that is run the way you want it to be run.

Took the morning off because I just got back from a trip late last night - I have to go to work now and enact some other rules you won't approve of.

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 1:14:06 PM PDT
What I don't approve of is saying that the reason you require something done in a particular way is because it's the law that it be done that way when, in fact, you are doing it that way because you've chosen that way to comply with what the law actually says.

You can choose to verify identity any way you wish. You can implement whatever rules you want.

I'm just saying that there are other ways to verify identity other than constantly checking photo ID's... and I'm willing to bet you've made (inconsistent) exceptions to the rule of your choice without violating the law as well.

And, to put this back on topic, there are ways that voters can be identified, and the chance of voter fraud reduced other than requiring photo ID's that may be difficult and expensive for some people to obtain.

If you want to exclude those folks from your practice, feel free to do so. But don't be telling us that practices that don't exclude them are violating the law, either.

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 5:14:28 PM PDT
2/2 Tango says:
Warren Holzem:

You are absolutely correct - it is almost impossible to work with individuals without making exceptions to rules that serve well for the majority so far as compliance goes.

I believe it is vital to identify those who vote as the person they say they are. I think that most states that have enacted the ID laws have already waived any fee for this requirement - and many volunteer groups are stating they will provide free transportation to get these photos - just as they provide free transportation to the polls on election day.

What still can't be judged, with any certainty, is how big a problem voter fraud is. And if it is a miniscule problem, then maybe small, local solutions are the answer instead of sweeping mandates.

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 6:39:08 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 14, 2012 7:05:29 PM PDT
2/2,
One of the gals that works at the local quilt shop is an RN. She said she has less paperwork there, and more people work!!!!

The ER went well and I agree that the regulations of identification are easy in my area. That doesn't mean there isn't a boatload of paper. Sometime I just want to get a rubber signature stamp!!!

And then there is the insistence of one particular lab NOT to read all the paperwork they get from the physicians! On at least 3 different occasions with differing physicians, they have filed the paperwork WRONG. Either the wrong policy owner, or the some such dumbness --- today it was that they "missed" the primary insurance! I'll grant you that that sort of depends on which physician I've used, but that's why there is paperwork; computerized or not. EVERY times they appear to use whatever they think was in the computer last. And, that actually hasn't even been exactly what they do all the time. I've tried notifying them before they actually bill me and I have to call back three times at least. This time I think I'll let them bill me and then I'll tell them they are wrong AGAIN!!! Doctor's office bills were correct!

The remark about one's mother, was a reaction to EVERY person.

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 6:58:19 PM PDT
Warren,

I have seen a doctor's office require you bring back an id, but I think it was a insurance card that had not been issued yet. There was a fairly long circular office before one of the doctor's asked why the number wasn't enough for verification IF they got it from the employer!

In my area specialist get to be pickier because, of supply and demand, but I don't know of any of them that won't try to find a way to meet the law and still gain new patients --- within reason, of course.

Virginia had a driver's license that had a separate card for change of address -- you were suppose to carry it with your DL and update it as appropriate. Of course, you still needed to notify DMV.

Of course, I've had a couple of photo ids stolen too!!! Mostly back when they were easiest to forge. I got lucky because I discovered it before any damage was done with the credit cards etc. and was able to report it. I have to admit, I ran into a couple of cases where I was told I couldn't stop credit cards after 5pm. I carefully explained if it could be used after hours I could cancel it and that I wanted it recorded that I had reported the card stolen as I was not going to be responsible for any charges "from now one". It wasn't easy and it did turn out that it could be cancelled. (Can you imagine :-00)

Thanks for all the well reasoned arguments --- here is hoping we both need Photo Ids to get our new Photo Ids!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 7:04:22 PM PDT
2/2,

Our local area (state) has a work around for the photo ids, and we still have a couple of law suits over the law for a variety of reasons --- and these are legally registered voters who have probably voted in the same town since they were 21. For one of them, at least, the free part isn't the problem.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 4, 2012 11:14:10 AM PDT
One does NOT have to have an ID to register to vote

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 4, 2012 11:51:55 AM PDT
Linda,

And what good is registering if you can't vote? For many the id required to register involves birth certificates, ssn, and verification of residency --- those are IDs just not the same ids needed to vote.

Most of the state laws are easing up, but the issue has been that they were already registered to vote and they do not have photo ids that have expiration dates on them. Some have different married names in one place and maiden names in others (I'm not sure what you call a male's unmarried name though). Many were born before birth certificates were issued, and for some even recorded: things aren't as simple as they would appear on the surface.

But yes you can even vote absentee without showing a photo id ... some states are still requiring the number from that id though!
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