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Laissez-Faire Capitalism: possible lessons from Victorian England and The Gilded Age America


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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 10:54:50 AM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
I have only heard that statement from leftys.

No one I know has ever said that.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 10:56:32 AM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
All of your assumptions are wrong, as usual. A wise person does not assume.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 10:56:53 AM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
You are very correct.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 10:57:40 AM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
You are the only one I hear saying that. Prove yourself.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 10:58:41 AM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
We have explained it scores of times. Why have you not listened instead of assuming so many ridiculous things.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:23:32 AM PDT
Ataraxia says:
The middle class of this country has remained pretty stagnant since the 1980s, since Reagan's trickledown. The gapother between them and thethe top 1% has widened to levels not seen since the 1920s.

Oh, well, it must be because they are stupid and lazy, and the upper classes are now so much smarter and harder working.

Not.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:25:08 AM PDT
Ataraxia says:
Look up "child labor industrial revolution".

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:30:37 AM PDT
Ataraxia says:
"Who?"

How about Paul Ryan who wants to gut Medicare and SS? How about Newt Gingrich who tells us "child labor laws are truly stupid" to loud applause? How about those who yell "let him die" to the uninsured at GOP primary debates to hearty cheers?

You guys are good at telling me I don't know what conservatism is about. I challenge you to set me straight and clear up any misunderstandings.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:34:03 AM PDT
Ataraxia says:
Yes, you have explained that any interference outside of stopping force and compulsion is tyranny. Yet when confronted with the consequnces of that thinking, you balk.

Beliefs have consequences. Think through what you are saying.

Posted on Jun 2, 2012 11:41:22 AM PDT
Dichterliebe says:
How is leaving Medicare to implode under its own unsustainable trajectory saving Medicare? Seriously -- have you studied the financial future of entitlements? If you thought Medicare is a system worth saving (as does Ryan), then you would recognize it has to be reformed in order to remain solvent, in order to remain at all.

But you show up at a retail forum spouting off about 'gutting' Medicare. Medicare spending is projected to *double* by 2022. That's in a mere 10 years. Does that mean anything to you? Even Democrats recognize there's a problem and I'm willing to bet that if a Democratic member of Congress came up with a solvency plan similar to Ryan's, s/he'd be hailed as brilliant.

There's no more time for naked partisanship re. Medicare. It's going broke and we will not be able to afford inflation-adjusted current levels of spending if we don't reform it, er, 'gut' it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:41:45 AM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
I have already read those links they do not support your assertions. Do you have a particular url.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:46:14 AM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
Do Paul and Gingrich say "Any regulation is the nanny government dictating things to a free people. Leave people and markets completely free, and the invisible hand will magically make everything alright. Any interference will only make things worse." Where?

or are you changing your story again.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:50:20 AM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
Think through what you are saying. We have answered all your questions repeatedly. You have refuted none of our explanations. You just start at your silly wrong assumptions all over. I can't help it you have failed to read them. That is your fault alone.

You have almost approached truth on rare occasions but when you get near you twist and spin the meanings.

Where do you get your assumptions from? Do you have a source outside of your own mind?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 12:13:22 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 2, 2012 12:27:25 PM PDT
Ataraxia says:
No, I was quoting the poster.

My sources are conservatives themselves. Gingrich and Ryan do in fact say such things too.

"Child labor laws are truly stupid".
-Newt Gingrich

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 12:16:18 PM PDT
Ataraxia says:
It's going broke because our robber barrons do not want the temporary tax cuts they got under Bush to expire.

If we let the tac cuts expire, we might end up being communst Muslim fascists, I suppose kinda like we were in the 1990s.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 12:23:00 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 2, 2012 12:56:40 PM PDT
Ataraxia says:
"We have answere all your questions repeatedly".

You have done no such thing. You have said nothing positive. You have only denied things. I say what I think you are saying, and you say "no, that's not it". But then you offer nothing positive as to what you ARE saying. So here is your chance. I challenge you to distance yourself from the 19th century social Darwinists and robber barons.

Educate me. I am all ears.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 12:31:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 2, 2012 12:42:08 PM PDT
Ataraxia says:
Sure. Look up "child labour" in Wikipedia.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 1:33:47 PM PDT
M. Daniel says:
Ataraxia says: "The middle class of this country has remained pretty stagnant since the 1980s, since Reagan's trickledown."

Middle-class income has increased 40% adjusted for inflation since 1980 according to IRS data.

Posted on Jun 2, 2012 1:35:42 PM PDT
Dichterliebe says:
Not to mention standard of living.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 1:37:57 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 2, 2012 1:40:01 PM PDT
M. Daniel says:
Ataraxia says: "You guys are good at telling me I don't know what conservatism is about. I challenge you to set me straight and clear up any misunderstandings."

You are citing some examples certainly not typical of American conservatives. Rather than taking what some guy yelled at a debate or what Gingrich said who received relatively little support in the Republican primaries, look at their spending policies while in office. Non-defense spending increases as fast or faster under Republicans as Democrats. Education spending doubled under Bush, he instituted a prescription drug plan, no programs were "cut." Everybody agrees SS and Medicare will not have sufficient funds, so some action must be taken; however, Ryan's plan will never pass even a Republican Congress.

Gingrich couldn't even maintain his speakership, so he is not exactly an example of conservative policy views.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 2:43:07 PM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
Which poster?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 2:44:14 PM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
I have told you many times in many threads.

Tell us where you get your goofy statements.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 2:45:29 PM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
Nothing there to support your assertions.

I guess you don't understand what a url is.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 3:37:48 PM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
The Foundations of Morality

Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest and Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics

When you are finished with these I'll correct more of your misconceptions for you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 3:57:33 PM PDT
Ataraxia says:
OK. So you guys have made it clear that I am misinformed about what conservatism. You have informed me that all my impressions are misconceptions.

So I am still waiting to be set straight on what conservatism means to you, and how it now different than the 19th century version.
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