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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:00:08 AM PDT
ET says:
I wonder how they handle the fact that tax dollars can be used for religious instruction in religious schools.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:02:24 AM PDT
I don't know. Part of the reason why I support public schools is that I, as a voter, can exercise influence on the schools by voting for school board members. I wouldn't be so keen on paying taxes that would go to schools over which voters had no oversight.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:09:45 AM PDT
ET says:
You bring up a good point. I hadn't actually considered it from that point.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:38:28 AM PDT
JKW Retired says:
As a counterpoint, you can vote more efficiently for school board members by choosing a school with ones you already like if you're allowed to get a voucher.

In a way, vouchers can be considered "taxpayer" money, in that everybody pays property taxes to support our schools (even if you rent, the property tax is included in the rental fee). However, it is the amount already paid in that is proportioned out for vouchers, not new taxes. You just take the amount that would be spent for your kid and get a voucher to use in a school of your choice, with you paying the difference, if any. As you can tell, I'm for vouchers, even though I no longer have children in school, and, having spent over 16 years in Okinawa, I paid for all but three years of my two kids' educations - my son spent all his school years in Okinawa and my daughter only spent the last three years of hers in the U.S.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:39:53 AM PDT
But as a childless tax payer, I would have no voucher with which to "vote."

I understand the thinking behind vouchers, I just don't agree with it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:44:01 AM PDT
Get yourself a kid - you get a tax break and get to use more of the government resources!

Win win!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:47:56 AM PDT
Yeah, I'll see what my husband thinks of that.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:51:05 AM PDT
JKW Retired says:
"Get yourself a kid - you get a tax break and get to use more of the government resources!"

So, you're against tax breaks for having kids ... or not? Or does it depend upon if you're "rich?"

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:51:38 AM PDT
Do a PowerPoint presentation.

Child Tax Credit of $1000
Dependent deduction of $3750
Public Schooling benefit of $150k for 13 years
Etc.

I can make up some charts for you :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:52:57 AM PDT
I am against marriage, family, housing, etc credits and for a more progressive structure.

I think the way our tax system is set up to reward certain behavior is very odd.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:58:44 AM PDT
I do want to have a child at some point . . . but that point has not yet arrived.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 9:02:24 AM PDT
My wife and I were married for almost 6 years before we had ours. There are parts of us that wish we waited longer and parts that think we waited too long.

No time is perfect but nothing wrong with waiting for a better point..

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 10:16:56 AM PDT
*I agree that I don't deserve to be given a check for my "share" of the education budget. Since Creaney's plan is to give people with children checks to pay for educational expenses, I was just wondering what the implications of this plan would be for people who didn't have children.

No different than it is now...

We all pay for education through taxes just as we pay for roads even if we migh not choose to drive on them. If you ever hire anyone you are using the public schools or if participate in an economy that needs people with basic skills.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 10:19:55 AM PDT
*But if people are using their check from the government to pay private school expenses, that isn't a "free market alternative" to socialism. It's just using the government to fund private schools.

Food stamps go to private food stores and growers. The point is those that are currently chosing to use private schools have to pay twice once through their taxes and again when they choose not to use the government schools.

The only alternative is to have a student loan program and you pay back your education when you actually have a job.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 10:22:09 AM PDT
*I wonder how they handle the fact that tax dollars can be used for religious instruction in religious schools.

Do students in religious universities get pell grants? I think we might run into problems if say like a Nazi christian school or a radical Muslim madrasa qualified as a school.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 10:23:19 AM PDT
ET says:
Religious universities don't require religion as a daily course. Most religious schools do.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 10:26:20 AM PDT
*I don't know. Part of the reason why I support public schools is that I, as a voter, can exercise influence on the schools by voting for school board members. I wouldn't be so keen on paying taxes that would go to schools over which voters had no oversight.

Thank you. That is key part of public education is that we know better than the parents of how and what to educate children. Public schools always had a social component. The real problem is that the experts don't always know best. I would assert that the vast majority of people would take their voucher and send it right to the school their kids currently go. Many would not. Some parents might make poor choices. It would serve a purpose of either dealing with the few trouble makers more effectivly or getting them oug of the way in extreme cases.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 10:28:51 AM PDT
*However, it is the amount already paid in that is proportioned out for vouchers, not new taxes. You just take the amount that would be spent for your kid and get a voucher to use in a school of your choice, with you paying the difference, if any.

There is another alternative is that when schools are privatly run they can charge less than the voucer and the parent keep the difference. Not that many schools are bad but the waste of money in the administration. Or they can be more efficient and offer more programs transportation supplies or other incentives to attract people to their school.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 10:32:53 AM PDT
*Religious universities don't require religion as a daily course. Most religious schools do.

Those would have to be worked out legally. A seperate "fee" can be asked for the religious portion of the instruction and the voucher pays for the academic portions. It can be very much how public money goes to planned parenthood but not to abortions.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 1:47:25 PM PDT
A better educated populace, that is more competitive on the world market.

Or we could be like Somalia.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:32:37 PM PDT
same as now
we still pay for them with RE taxes

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:33:17 PM PDT
that is what free market is
private schools compete on cost and quality
not the one size fits nobody public school approach

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:34:23 PM PDT
nonsense

the free market gives the students/parents total veto power
dont like the school then dont go there

now you are stuck with no choice no matter what

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:35:13 PM PDT
no tax breaks for kids

there should be a big tax for having one

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:36:06 PM PDT
kids from public schools have ZERO skills
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