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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 8:00:55 AM PDT
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I have no idea why Gibbs would say such a thing, but your guesses don't seem that far off.

I'm not defending Gibbs. I'm standing up for the ideal that when people summarize the words of others they should try to be accurate. Gibbs never said the lack of tax returns was "evidence" that Romney had engaged in tax evasion. Your lack of respect for the truth is either a kind of immorality or carelessness.

The truly funny thing there are legitimate reasons to be concerned with what Gibbs said. But when you doctor what he said, you shine the spotlight on yourself as well.

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 8:11:58 AM PDT
I read through this thread.

Steve in MT is immoral.

Why is he that way? What makes Steven in MT immoral is it because he is a conservative? Or does being immoral make him a conservative?

I need to know Steve in MT are you a chicken or egg?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 8:39:30 AM PDT
M. Daniel says:
Libertarian! Socialist! Patriot! Fryfan! says: "Or does being immoral make him a conservative?"

Being immoral led him to conservatism and now he is both enlightened and moral. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 9:51:11 AM PDT
Steve in MT says:
kacunnin said: "And the Right isn't willing to "pillory" the Left? This is the game, and both sides are playing. The Right has labeled Obama a fascist, a communist, a socialist, a liar, a murderer, and anti-American (among other things). Is that the kind of morality you're talking about here? His efforts to bring affordable health care to millions of Americans has been ridiculed, attacked, and undermined by Republicans from day one, even though their candidate of choice (Romney) brought the same plan to the state of Massachusetts."

In a way, you make my point. Policy differences are not the same as saying someone wants to end Medicare (which is only brought up to scare the hell out of the elderly, and is not based on facts) or that Republicans want dirty air and water. Those are factually false and only employed on the vast number of voters who are uninformed. Unfortunately it is only too common that this form of deception works.

Opposition to Obamacare could be based on the understanding that it does nothing for health care and may even disrupt care for those presently insured. By your raising this point, as well as the opposition to all of the rest of Obama's policies you impart an immoral motive when they could just be that they don't think the policies work. And as to the attacks and attempts to undermine Obama, please refresh your recent memory of how the Democrats were so supportive of Bush.

In proving my point, I think you just refuted your last statement that the Left is immoral.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 9:53:54 AM PDT
Steve in MT says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 9:59:21 AM PDT
Mark Time says:
You mean like the title of your thread?

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 10:03:02 AM PDT
Steve in MT says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:06:42 AM PDT
Mark Time says:
They are supposed to, hasn't worked out in this case.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:07:01 AM PDT
Mark Time says:
Are you related to miss W?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:31:34 AM PDT
Steve in MT says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:36:05 AM PDT
Mark Time says:
You would disagree? What a surprise.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:36:33 AM PDT
You think this discussion has supported the thesis?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:37:58 AM PDT
You use morality as a weapon against the left to prove that the left is immoral because they use morality as a weapon . . . your thesis is pretty much in tatters at this point.

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 10:39:23 AM PDT
Dougerie says:
"Why are liberals so immoral?"

It's genetics. Democrats are libbed for her pleasure.

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 10:39:31 AM PDT
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Steve in MT says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:41:31 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:42:06 AM PDT
Since some conservatives are also immoral, I think the better conclusion is that some liberals are immoral because they are human, not that immorality is somehow linked to liberalism.

How about strong political views can often inspire people to cut corners with the truth and logical argumentation?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:43:16 AM PDT
Steve in MT says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:45:35 AM PDT
The left frequently claims a moral high ground. The right frequently claims a moral high ground. People on the other side frequently do not agree that the other side has the high ground and say that it is a false claim.

All you are doing is establishing that you agree with those on the right who claim the left is immoral. You have failed to demonstrate that there is "nothing more" to the left.

Would it be accurate to claim there is nothing more to the right if I pointed to Karl Rove push polling accusations that McCain's daughter was illegitimate? Would it be accurate to look at the career of Ted Haggard and Larry Craig and determine there was nothing more to the right?

(The answer is "no," by the way).

People, on the left and the right, do bad things and claim the moral high ground. That doesn't invalidate an overall political philosophy -- it's just a good justification for carefully evaluating anybody's claim to be morally superior.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:46:34 AM PDT
Wait, I want to make sure I understand. Are you saying that you think it is appropriate to cut corners with the truth if one is inspired by love of country?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:48:08 AM PDT
Mark Time says:
He's just playing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:49:07 AM PDT
Steve in MT says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:52:41 AM PDT
I say: "How about strong political views can often inspire people to cut corners with the truth and logical argumentation?"

You respond: "I would not disagree with you on the last point. But if your basis is love of country, that is one thing."

What "one thing" is it? Why is it okay to do those things for love of country but not okay to do them in defense of a moral code?

I would argue that it isn't okay for either and that the person who makes choices to bend the truth or use unfair arguments for either love of country or defense of a moral code has serious questions to answer.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:55:06 AM PDT
Steve in MT says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:59:49 AM PDT
I agree that those who "claim the mantle of morality" have an obligation to be ethical themselves or they risk invalidating the basis of their argument. The difference between you and I is that I see this behavior from the right and the left. I don't think acts by specific people make liberalism or conservatism as a whole immoral.

I also don't think it is "one thing" for somebody to lie for what they define as love of country and another thing for somebody to lie for what they define as a higher moral code.
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