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Do you mind having to show I.d. to vote?

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In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 6:47:22 PM PDT
G. Wood says:
Obviously someone who doesn't like to think.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 6:15:04 PM PDT
Warren,

You sure you want to limit that to just read? I don't mind someone disagreeing, but give me a reason not just an opinion.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 6:12:21 PM PDT
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Requiring an I'd to vote is common sense inexpensive solution to a real problem.
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Obviously someone who doesn't like to read.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 6:10:54 PM PDT
2/2 Tango says:
Reed N.D. Dark:

We were in China in 1982 - didn't see our passports from time we left the plane until we got back on again.

Since I am OC, I keep threatening to have a copy of my passport tattooed on some body part. My husband, wisely, has no suggestions about where.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 6:04:09 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 2, 2012 6:05:11 PM PDT
And what does it solve? Or what is the problem?

Let see, states allow you to prove citizenship by signing that you are, and you can prove residency by showing a utility bill. These same states will allow this same person to vote with the same id.

I don't see the common sense in that and would like to at least fix that! An id doesn't do it, they are already registered.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 6:00:54 PM PDT
G. Wood says:
Requiring an I'd to vote is common sense inexpensive solution to a real problem. Arguments as to it's intrusiveness or hardship on a segment of society is complete nonsense.

We all know the reasons why the dems are against it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 5:28:48 PM PDT
Warren Holzem says: <<I said they're already too involved in things that have nothing to do with driving already>>

Yep, I know you thought it was dumber than I do if that is possible! Nevertheless, you had the "link" that I missed that at least they WERE, in some states, verifying the citizenship in the voter registries.

I do wish we could get rid of the perception that if you will lie that you are a citizen you might not lie to get your ID. I'm not sure all driver's license checks are proof of citizenship. And, I'd like to see the states that are not requiring proof of citizenship to register to change that before I or anyone else has to jump through hoops to get a Photo ID.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 5:11:00 PM PDT
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Wow, Warren was right let's just let DMV run the voter rolls!!!
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I said they're already too involved in things that have nothing to do with driving already. Their mission should be certifying that people are able to drive safely. Asking them to be responsible for elections detracts from their core mission, and neither job will get done right.

Next time the DMV tells you there isn't enough money to retest drivers to keep our roads safe, keep in mind that's because a chunk of their budget is already going to non-driving purposes.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 5:05:19 PM PDT
2/2
I don't remember China keeping ours, on tour, but that was 95. And in the 70's I remember carrying my id through Chinese through border control. It was around the time tourism was first allowed and it was a day trip.

Most of the other countries have been European. Turkey and Greece never took it the first time I was there. The second time Greece was included in a tour and the cruise ship had it. Egypt I had to carry it, Dubai and India just checked it on the cruise ship

I did think about that when the Concordia "swamped" --- If I had gotten out I would have been able to have one faxed to an Embassy!

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:50:35 PM PDT
2/2 Tango says:
Reed N.D. Dark:

Our first foreign trip was in 1976 - 3 weeks in Eastern Europe and Russia - our passports were gathered up as we deplaned and I don't know who kept them - in Russia we were told Intourist had them. They were given back at the airports. I'm OC, so I had a copy with me and one in my suitcase at all times.

Also had them confiscated in China and Kenya.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:48:26 PM PDT
Kno says:
There was a bill introduced in the state legislature but was voted down by the Democrats because it would disenfranchise voters. So we're stuck with anyone who wants to vote can vote.

It is hard NOT to disenfranchise legitimate voters. I registered and proved citizenship, why should I have to prove it again because YOUR system is messed up? Especially, if what you are requiring me to do or where you are requiring me to go is more than an "inconvenience" and beyond a "major hassle".

There isn't a good solution to re-registering, correctly, but that needs to be done. Did the bill change the rules for NEW registrants, or just change the law to vote? I'd like to see the new registrants begin to be checked at least we'd eventually get to the point where they were closer to cleaned up.!

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:44:27 PM PDT
2/2
I've had hotel take a passport while staying, but I've never had a foreign country confiscate it.

When I lived in Singapore, I saw a US citizen, in borrowed clothes that didn't fit, trying to get a passport replaced. I've always kept a copy since then. For this family there was no one at home that could fax a copy of the passport. I've always had a copy and "put" a copy somewhere where it could be sent to an embassy!

Recently, I've been cruising. If I don't need the passport in the country I carry the copy to protect my passport from being stolen, but allowing me, with the consulates help, to continue to the next country. Recently, there actually was a case where a bunch of people got left in San Juan because the ship was forced out due to an incoming storm. Many could not get to their next destination because it was a foreign country. And, yes, I have had a cruise line "hold" my passport in non-Caribbean tours. It makes clearing customs a breeze -- immigration comes on board, clears everyone and there are no lines except at the taxi stand!

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:34:06 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 2, 2012 4:34:30 PM PDT
There was a bill introduced in the state legislature but was voted down by the Democrats because it would disenfranchise voters. So we're stuck with anyone who wants to vote can vote.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:31:21 PM PDT
2/2 Tango says:
Reed N.D. Dark:

I have no idea what would solve the problem of illegal voting - illegal entry across the border, etc.

I just know that I carry either my passport or a copy of it in my car and my driver's license in my wallet.

Many foreign countries confiscate your passport when you enter - or did - so I always had a copy in case I needed to call the US Embassy or Consulate.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:30:40 PM PDT
Kno says:
Colorado's requirements are not new. It's been that way as long as I've been registered to vote here, 1974. When it was enacted, I have no idea.

And didn't you tell us that Colorado doesn't have any new laws aimed at cleaning this up? Perhaps, they, rightly, realized that the problem takes more than a Photo id, and are working on a more comprehensive, actual solution!

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:27:56 PM PDT
venussansfurs says:
<Anyone know how these states got so lax?>

Who knows, but I'm willing to bet it happened after they abolished the poll tax.

It probably happened after the depression too!

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:26:50 PM PDT
2/2,

I drove across the Vancouver border and when they asked me where I was from I said Virginia .... I don't know where my head was but I genuinely thought he was asking a more specific question as I had lived in foreign countries and when returning to the US they asked where are you going, where do you live.

When we returned, with passports, to Maine and before the law we got the look of "what in the heck is this document" when we presented them. We did get through better.

But fortunately, I will not need to cross a border to vote!!! And I shouldn't need a photo id because no one wants to clean up the voter registries. I am curious about the states that issued driver's licenses to non citizens. I know Arizona marks theirs with an F. But if a driver's license doesn't require citizenship it isn't going to help this year in cleaning up the registries.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:21:59 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 2, 2012 4:22:15 PM PDT
Colorado's requirements are not new. It's been that way as long as I've been registered to vote here, 1974. When it was enacted, I have no idea.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:20:09 PM PDT
ps.

I had in mind that the laws that were just passed be allowed a length of time. I do remember the hanging chads AND that the Florida law said absentee ballots had to have postmarks, something the military didn't/couldn't do.

I don't think some of these new laws are written correctly as they don't allow for non-photo ids. AND, I'm not convinced that DMV should be "fixing" the voter registries.

Most everyone has claimed that the photo-id or id prevents fraud. If everyone that voted had had a photo id would we have had hanging chads? Nope, and those hang chads could have been "legitimate" voters that were elderly and unable to punch all the way through.

I'm all for cleaning up the registries and it would have been nice if ICE or INS or someone would help. I can't believe that there are so many states allowing NEW voters to the registry not to prove citizenship.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:14:12 PM PDT
<Anyone know how these states got so lax?>

Who knows, but I'm willing to bet it happened after they abolished the poll tax.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:11:06 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 2, 2012 4:16:13 PM PDT
2/2 Tango says:
Reed N.D.Dark:

Many years ago we decided to take the train across Canada - we were going to fly to Canada - take the train to BC - take a bus to Seattle and then rent a car and drive to Sacramento.

At that time US citizens didn't need a passport to go to Canada - just a tourist visa. We were told we didn't need to bring a passport. I thought Canada wouldn't be a problem - but getting back into the USA would be.

When we got to the US border, everyone was taken off the bus - those who had driver's licenses and birth certificates were hassled, we had our passports with us and we got the "welcome home, go on thru."

One lady was still being berated for having only a birth certificate, a no photo ID and a tourist visa from Canada with her married name on it, none of her 3 IDs matched.

We vowed then to never go anywhere without our passports.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 3:51:55 PM PDT
P. S. Wright says:
PP 2: We have been working on this since 4 elections past at least. Remember hanging chads? Remember when first one party, then the other, was accused of "stealing" the election? We're using technology from the 1600s in 2012. When *is* a good time? Presidential elections come every 4 years and there is some kind of election going on nearly all the time.

PP3: Law suits.

Posted on May 2, 2012 3:43:30 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 2, 2012 3:44:00 PM PDT
For the record, I think I finally got the answer to the question what does showing a photo id do to reduce election fraud: it is directed at cleaning up the voter registries, maybe. Wow, Warren was right let's just let DMV run the voter rolls!!!

Posted on May 2, 2012 3:29:12 PM PDT
KNo,

I looked at Texas and at least now they don't have to prove citizenship. So cleaning up the registry sure got a lot harder.

I don't think this close to a general election is the time to "clean up" the voter registries : we ought to have a couple of years at least. And yes, then we might even be able to call this a "poll tax" in the sense that there is now a cost incurred to re-register.

Anyone know how these states got so lax?

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 3:22:34 PM PDT
What if I don't have a driver's license, personal identification number, OR a social security number? Can I still register to vote in Texas?

A voter who has not been issued a driver's license or social security number may register to vote, but such voter must submit proof of identification when presenting himself/herself for voting or with his/her mail-in ballots, if voting by mail. These voters' names are flagged on the official voter registration list with the annotation of "ID." The "ID" notation instructs the poll worker to request a proper form of identification from these voters when they present themselves for voting. Acceptable identification includes:

a driver's license or personal identification card issued to the person by the Department of Public Safety or a similar document issued to the person by an agency of another state, regardless of whether the license or card has expired;
a form of identification containing the person's photograph that establishes the person's identity;
a birth certificate or other document confirming birth that is admissible in a court of law and establishes the person's identity;
United States citizenship papers issued to the person;
a United States passport issued to the person;
official mail addressed to the person by name from a governmental entity;
a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter; or
any other form of identification prescribed by the Secretary of State.
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