Mickey: "I know what communism and socialism are - it's not necessary to lecture me."
I didn't mean to lecture you, but you made the following statement which led me to believe you did not understand the difference:
"I think we're defining socialism differently - you mean communism where I mean some government involvement."
Mickey: "I think we're at an impasse"
I agree, however, I only said or believe about half the stuff you list. The remainder you imagine or infer. You want to include certain elements of capitalism which are not necessarily there; or, they are a part of the ideal theory which is not accurate in practice.
Under communism there is no private property theoretically, but in practice people owned their own belongings including cars, etc. You have to discuss communism as it exists and not theory based on Marx. The same is true on capitalism. I certainly never said there were not contradictions, but they have little to do with capitalism. The contradictions are with conservative thought.
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