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Is taxing the rich to give to the poor really "moral"?


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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 11:59:15 AM PDT
M. Daniel says:
Nat says: "Look at Duperman's soc votes. As if we didn't already know"

Where do you find this info?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 1:11:48 PM PDT
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Nat says:
Shut up MD

Stop asking me stupid questions

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 4:40:43 PM PDT
visionary says:
super [[Now defend it!!]]

Defend what? I'm not a liberal. What's wrong with you?

[[Taxed Enough Already Party (Tea Party) was born from Obamacare being rammed down our collective throats.]]

The tea gang was born through the wealthy, such as the Koch syndicate, to create another diversion so you rubes would not pay attention to how they were duping you into giving them more for their stacks of obscene wealth. Wake up.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 4:41:22 PM PDT
MisterTee says:
Well said, vis.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 4:46:48 PM PDT
visionary says:
tee [[Well said, vis.]]

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. SHMG

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 10:09:20 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 11:20:51 PM PDT
john lachman says:
Visionary - thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

Economics then, like political science and sociology, is actually a lot like religion, philosophy and ethics, all of which deal with "moral" questions subjectively.

Perhaps the OP should have asked - "Is it "moral" to be rich while others live wretched lives of endless work?" Or better yet, "Is it "moral" to allow some people to be rich while millions live wretched lives of endless work?"

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 7:59:06 AM PDT
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A customer says:
"The tea gang was born through the wealthy, such as the Koch syndicate, to create another diversion so you rubes would not pay attention to how they were duping you into giving them more for their stacks of obscene wealth. Wake up."

Blind Melon you're a liberal liar! We the Tea Party don't want no dirty special interest money!!!!



"Tea Party movement

The Tea Party movement (TPM) is an American political movement that supports the United States Constitution, adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution,[1] reduced government spending,[2][3] cutting taxes,[3] and reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit.[2] The movement is generally recognized as conservative, libertarian,[4][5] and populist[6][7][8] The movement has sponsored protests and supported political candidates since 2009.[9][10][11]

The name "Tea Party" is a reference to the Boston Tea Party, a protest by colonists who objected to a British tax on tea in 1773 and demonstrated by dumping British tea taken from docked ships into the harbor.[12] Some commentators have referred to the Tea in "Tea Party" as the backronym "Taxed Enough Already"

"Organization

The Tea Party movement has no central leadership but is composed of a loose affiliation of national and local groups that determine their own platforms and agendas. The Tea Party movement has been cited as an example of grassroots political activity, although it has also been described as an example of astroturfing.[15]

The Tea Party movement is not a national political party; polls show that most Tea Partiers consider themselves to be Republicans[16][17] and the movement's supporters have tended to endorse Republican candidates.[18] Commentators, including Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport, have suggested that the movement is not a new political group but simply a rebranding of traditional Republican candidates and policies.[16][19][20] An October 2010 Washington Post canvass of local Tea Party organizers found 87% saying "dissatisfaction with mainstream Republican Party leaders" was "an important factor in the support the group has received so far"

Background and history

The theme of the Boston Tea Party, an iconic event in American history, has long been used by anti-tax protesters.[26][27][28] It was part of Tax Day protests held throughout the 1990s and earlier.[29][30][31][32] By 2001, a custom had developed among some conservative activists of sending tea bags to legislators and other officials via postal mail as an act of symbolism.[33]
More recently, the anniversary of the original Boston Tea Party was commemorated on December 16, 2007,[34] by Republican Congressman Ron Paul supporters who held a "Boston tea-party event" in 2007 which was a fundraiser for the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign which advocated an end to fiat money and the Federal Reserve System, disengaging from foreign entanglements in Iraq and Afghanistan, and upholding States' rights.[35][36][37]

Fox News commentator Juan Williams says that the TPM emerged from the ashes of Paul's 2008 presidential primary campaign

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Here is Koch's FreedomWorks

"FreedomWorks is a conservative non-profit organization based in Washington D.C., United States. FreedomWorks trains volunteers, assists in campaigns, and encourages them to mobilize, interacting with both fellow citizens and their political representatives."

History

FreedomWorks originated from a campaign called Citizens for a Sound Economy, which split in two in 2004. CSE was set up by businessman David Koch (Koch Industries).[3] Citizens for a Sound Economy merged with Empower America in 2004 and was renamed FreedomWorks, with Dick Armey, Jack Kemp and C. Boyden Gray serving as co-chairmen, Bill Bennett focusing on school choice as a Senior Fellow, and Matt Kibbe as President and CEO.[4][5][contradiction] Empower America was founded in 1993 by William Bennett, former Secretary of HUD Jack Kemp, former Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, and former Representative Vin Weber.[6] In December 2006, Steve Forbes joined the board of directors.[7]

The `Freedomworks' name was derived from a common Armey saying: "Freedom works. Freedom is good policy and good politics."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomWorks

>> GOT IT <<

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 9:46:29 AM PDT
*Good for you. Now, who is paying your bills?

Thats my problem, arrange my finances, save some money work another job.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 9:46:59 AM PDT
*Would you like to tell us which ones?

Those who have had some problems with the law...

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 9:49:28 AM PDT
*just looking at rates is meaningless.
*the rich had the resources to use the tax code to not pay anywhere near those rates

Sad, they don't get it. It is all emotional. High tax rates held the economy back because of the waste of resources involved in avoiding those rates. Sad also it kep people from being successful and focusing on being productive.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 9:52:20 AM PDT
*The discussion has been about arbitrarily kicking the min wage up to $15-$20. The corresponding price increases needed to support it would climb all the way up the manufacturing chain to retail, and it would negate the buying power from the increase in min wage. Higher skilled people who were already making the $15-$20 would not be happy and would want a higher wage, and so on and so forth.

We also have to take into account all the economic activity that will not happen and how many jobs would be lost or not created. Take fast food. You will kill any chance that a small restraunt will grow. You will likley get large immigrant families run resturants with only family members.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 10:04:44 AM PDT
*They do the same thing everyone else does, spend money. They have one advantage though, they can borrow money against us as collateral or they can just print it out of thin air. This of course affects aggregate demand because if money is sitting around not being spent, it is useless as a force for increasing aggregate demand. It would be nice if you could address the topic though.

There is a hiden tax of regulation. The tax rate might be X but you have to buy this air cleaner at cost X you have to hire an office full of people to comply with this series of mandates, you have to spend X more to have a bathroom to comply with the Americans with no abilities act. The burden of regulations is estimated to be twice the income tax. All those business expences have one purpose keep the government or some lawyer from shutting them down.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 10:11:37 AM PDT
*What? I give up with you zealots. The US went into recession because of the Marshall Plan? This is why arguing with Austrians is a total waste of time. The world treats this organization with exactly the right amount of respect it deserves, ZIPPO. Nothing but a bunch of crackpots living in another world of their own creation. Unbelievable.

In a Kensian sense there was a massive drop in GNP in 1946 worse than a depression. Government spending was slashed by fractions. The govenment also let go many of the price and wage controls on the economy. As far as Kenes is conserned government shrank and the economy expanded.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 10:13:59 AM PDT
*we should make churches and thier intitutions pay taxes because they are engaging in politics so heavily.

That includes many black churches that support Democrats....

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 10:49:29 AM PDT
*Yup, do the OPPOSITE of Keynes and see real progress.

The problem is to stimulate the economy you have to depress another sector. What printing money does is take money from savers.

They way you increase demand is to lower prices.

I know there is a debate about the FED but from 1850 to 1900 there were vast increases in productivity and we went from a shoe maker making three pairs a day to a dozen people making three thousand a day and the resulting price drops make it harder to pay back loans. It was a real problem for farmers because increased productivity lowered the price of comodities that loans to buy equipment could not be paid.

Today we have a great deal of expences on businesses to comply with government. That is you have to hire an office full of people that serves only to keep the government from shutting you down or causing even more sepense. They do nothing productive. That would be providing products or services people are willing to pay for.

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Posted on Jun 12, 2012 11:32:44 AM PDT
john lachman says:
If the State were to disappear we would all be dead, since it is the state that provides the structure, both physical and administrative, whereby we can carry out economic activity. Without our federal, state and local administrative/enforcement systems there would be chaos and civil war.

That we are being told these systems are failing is, in part, propaganda to justify the erosion of our civil liberties and the many illegal resource wars. The other part is actual, on purpose, economic failure engineered to drive down wages and consolidate power toward the oligarchy. (The open (since Reagan) warfare of the oligarchs vs the middle and lower classes which is grinding on toward some totalitarian nightmare.)

If ones goal is dismantle or simplify the state administration, it would be most wise to first limit the ability of the rich to buy politicians. Since the libertarians (Ron Paul et. al.), the tea party, most democrats and the republicans, in general, are not for eliminating the corporate and oligarchical control of the government, I can only conclude, that they are in thrall to the same god of money and power that is worshiped and empowers the corporate elites.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 12:00:08 PM PDT
*If the State were to disappear we would all be dead, since it is the state that provides the structure, both physical and administrative, whereby we can carry out economic activity. Without our federal, state and local administrative/enforcement systems there would be chaos and civil war.

Most people do not seek an end to government and see it as essential for a civil society. Even with no formal government people will band together for protection and enforcment of norms.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 12:41:01 PM PDT
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visionary says:
lachman [[Perhaps the OP should have asked - "Is it "moral" to be rich while others live wretched lives of endless work?" ]]

Indeed. And, perhaps, add to that 'illness, and early death.'
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