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Did ANYONE Vet Obama in 2008???


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Posted on Jun 17, 2012 10:08:39 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 10:41:32 AM PDT
Mark Time says:
Yup, your media sources are indeed lame.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 10:51:32 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
Marilyn - If you look at OnTheIssues.Org in 2008, then there was *plenty* upon which to vet. Don't assume others did not just because of your own biases. Like drivers who assume people drive as slowly as as they do, you are falling into the error of assuming others only know as much as you do about candidates and their record.

Front runner status was not an accident. Here is some of the info sources I use for my own research:

Congressional voting record of front runners
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/

"Obama's strange appeal to high priests of US conservatism"
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hTmPa3TKWcnYhN5dNGmP7AWgtmIA

OnTheIssues.org compilations for McCain and Obama
http://www.ontheissues.org/john_mccain.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/barack_obama.htm

and for Romney and Johnson this year:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 11:03:28 AM PDT
M. Daniel says:
Marilyn Martin says:
http://news.yahoo.com/judge-young-obama-housing-discrimination-lawsuit-linked-chicago-201624951.html
OBAMA CONSIDERS "CONNECTED" CHICAGO JUDGE FOR SUPREME COURT

Let's take this one story. If you read the entire story, you will see there is no wrongdoing involved, not even hinted. A judge who heard an Obama lawsuit was later appointed as a federal judge by Clinton. Obama had him on a list to be considered for Supreme Court. Nothing unusual in any of that.

The guy was active in Chicago politics. So, the headline says "connected judge" insinuating there was some mob connection. Any judge is "connected" to important officials---that is how he got the postion---by being active in politics.

Posted on Jun 17, 2012 11:40:20 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 12:02:02 PM PDT
Intrepid says:
If you read the thoughtful items on OnTheIssues.com that are public record, you will see that a candidate even in 2008 with over a decade of experience and thoughtful observations on where the nation needs to go. You are focusing on what was done in marketing while missing who *the person* is.

Yes, every successful candidate whether it is Romney or Obama is packaged and sanitized. Yes, we are presented Barbie dolls and anatomically incorrect Kens. look beyond the packaging of every candidate and see what have they said and what are their positions on *issues*. What are their proposed solutions? There ARE absolutely vast differences there and you owe it to yourself to have an open mind and dare to compare on the nonpartisan site OnTheIssues.org.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 12:11:17 PM PDT
M. Daniel says:
Marilyn Martin says: "How lame of you to cherry-pick the one article out of the four I posted that didn't have "Mob" or "Corruption" in the title, or refer to Judicial Watch's "uncovered documents" of the Obamas' shady Chicago dealings."

I chose that article because it was from the least biased source (Yahoo). The others were blogs (opinion) and Judicial Watch which is a conservative group. The article said nothing about "Chicago style corruption and thuggery" or mob politics; you added that as your interpretation to a straight-forward article about a judge.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 12:20:24 PM PDT
Chuckles says:
They were not "conservative" in orientation. They were pro-Republican. True conservatives are pro-Libertarian, pro-Gary Johnson. Republicans should be ashamed of themselves for backing what most of them consider the lesser of two evils. If they really thought about it they would support Gary Johnson. But no. They don't care about the real best interest of the U.S.. They don't care about what they know in their heart to be true. They are warped by partisan propaganda. The only kinds of votes that are wasted are those which are not cast and those that are not based upon personal convictions. To vote for the lesser of two evils is to be a part of the problem.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 12:29:38 PM PDT
M. Daniel says:
Chaz the First says: "They were not "conservative" in orientation. They were pro-Republican."

Yes. I only called Judicial Watch conservative because that is their own description. I just referred to the others as blogs which are the opinion of the author.

"The only kinds of votes that are wasted are those which are not cast and those that are not based upon personal convictions. To vote for the lesser of two evils is to be a part of the problem."

Americans have such delicate political palates,
they find no one worthy of their ballots
Then, when someone terrible gets elected,
they say "there, that is just what I expected" (unknown origin)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 5:07:52 PM PDT
I think your insistence that it is the responsibility of the press to somehow qualify the president (instead of voters) is weirdly undemocratic.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 5:30:29 PM PDT
M. Daniel says:
Meghann says: "I think your insistence that it is the responsibility of the press to somehow qualify the president (instead of voters) is weirdly undemocratic."

What did they do when the only press was the partisan press or before the national press appeared? Who vetted Abe Lincoln? If a voter wants to know about a candidate, there is more information than anyone has time to read. Because some people believe the birthers and the truthers does not mean most people take it seriously and it will not affect their vote.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 4:18:08 AM PDT
Ronald Craig says:
Well, come on, Marilyn only pays lip service to the idea of democracy, at best.

Sandpaper dry, clumsily inept lip service... you'd almost think she doesn't enjoy doing it!

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 8:44:05 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 18, 2012 8:57:55 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
If you like what Washington said then it is totally illogical to want someone who flip flops depending on the audience and political winds. OnTheIssues.org is useful because it shows clearly that Obama had thought issues out in far greater depth than any other candidate in 2008. It showed over 10 years of pertinent quotes and keen, nuanced, analytical thinking about solving America's most complex challenges. It also showed how false a label of socialist is going back 10+ years in position statements and legislation.

That is how powerful a tool that website is. That is the heart of vetting. And such information to make an informed, rational choice was used by more people than you realized in 2008.

In 2012, such comparison On The Issues candidate vs. candidate is still what you should do.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 9:03:50 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
You have an American economy. There was no guarantee on it surviving intact Dec. 2008. While recovery is slower than we like it is held back more by Europe than by us. Half our customers are broke - that affects our exports and growth. But we are better off than in Dec. 2008 and if Europe could buy more we would be even better.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 9:11:01 AM PDT
Marilyn does bring on the comedy! He likes Mitt as opposed to 'someone wedded to unworkable theories and pound-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole policies', uh apparently Marilyn missed that Mitt has endorsed the Ryan budget, the epitome of ideology over reality, and a literal laundry list of Bush era policies that failed once and are being dusted off in hopes of this time toppling reality...

As for Mitt's vaunted economic skills, when tested in government they were a hopeless failure, he was a profound failure as a job creator.

Quite why conservatives think their myths won't fail again this time around is the big mystery of this election.

As for 'vetting', where are Mitt's tax records?

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 12:02:55 PM PDT
Ryan S. Hupp says:
There's a difference between this kind of government misconduct (which I and other liberals overwhelmingly do not support) and bizarre allegations of a sinister, Grishamesque Scrubbing Firm yanking web pages and burning files.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 12:15:47 PM PDT
Actually Mitt got an extension for 2011. Oops.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/mitt-romney-requests-extension-for-filing-2011-tax-return/2012/04/13/gIQAqo6pFT_blog.html

So Mitt has released one year of tax returns! The reason his father released ten years was that he believed that you needed a longer period to get a true sense of how a candidate conducted his affairs. One year is a joke.

What is Mitt hiding? What is so amusing about you is that you view everything about Obama as sinister while showing servile credulity by repeating every Romney talking point no matter how ludicrous.

Perhaps even you might realize how comic it is to throw out accusations about Obama's finances, when he's disclosed his, while defending a guy who will not release his records!

Posted on Jun 18, 2012 12:42:21 PM PDT
"... and bizarre allegations of a sinister, Grishamesque Scrubbing Firm ..."

Nice. I like that!

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/04/perkins_coie_seattle_law_firm.php
PERKINS COIE LAW FIRM
The Seattle branch shared Obama-duties with the D.C. branch, and now takes bow for disclosing Obama's long-form birth certificate (which is still controversial).

The D.C. office of Perkins Coie has Obama's "personal counsel", partner Judith Corley. She graduated to that position after partner Robert Bauer left Perkins Coie D.C. to become White house counsel. Corley also handles "Obama's required financial-disclosure reports - but little else."

http://www.theobamafile.com/_associates/RobertBauer.htm
ROBERT BAUER - OBAMA'S SCRUBBER
"Bauer has done his best to prevent the American public from seeing a wide range of Obama's records that could prove, or disprove, his eligibility to occupy the Oval Office...

"Federal Election Commission records show $1,352,378.95 in payments were made by Obama for America (not Obama personally?) to Perkins Coie while the law firm was representing Obama in various court cases which have sought to obtain Obama's long-form birth certificate ..."

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 2:01:35 PM PDT
AMEN!

Posted on Jun 18, 2012 2:03:05 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 5:55:35 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 18, 2012 5:57:03 PM PDT
Intrepid says:
It's all governments. There is strategic info and significant vulnerabilities e.g. water supply info that have been requested to be deleted. This is not entirely a bad thing and if you were up on security you should know this. It was in the news (AP and Reuters).

Are you really in journalism or not? I am sorry, but you are very, very ill informed on some matters. So much so that your conclusions are reckless and cause harm. I am trying to be polite about how bad.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 19, 2012 4:31:33 AM PDT
Ronald Craig says:
"Are you really in journalism or not?"

Oh for chrissakes. She's a wannabe writer who's self-published some (bad!) YA scifi and convinced some minor computer magazine site to carry her humor/factoid fluff pieces. (Even compiled them into books for separate sale now? Kudos, Marilyn! You've hit the big time! LOL)

"I am trying to be polite about how bad."

That's a feeling you'll soon get over, after she calls you names and questions your morals (or sexuality) a time or two. :)
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