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You all knew Obama's re-election would cost 3-400,000 jobs. Stop complaining you got exactly what you voted for.


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Initial post: Nov 12, 2012 4:45:09 PM PST
I mean honestly, you knew this was going to happen. PaPa Johns, GM, Boeing, Northr'p.. etc.

All these companies and more said that the continued over regulation and added costs of healthcare would lead to job cuts. What you thought they made it up?

You raise the cost of producing a product or service either prices rise of people get fired. The rules are pretty clear.

You voted for Obama, you helped get these people fired. But you KNEW this was going to happen so why are you so upset?

Posted on Nov 12, 2012 8:01:31 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 12, 2012 8:57:56 PM PST
Mcdougall.. Under Romney the 1% would thrive and get Richer..AND ..the Poor would get Poorer with the Middle Class sliding down the ladder more and more! There's the BLAME Game and anything these companies CHOOSE to do they're OUT is Blame The President!!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 12, 2012 8:20:44 PM PST
I heard about one pizza company saying they were going to fire some people because of the Affordable Care Act. Aren't costs like health insurance still a tax deductible expense for a business?

Right now, the employees of that company are having to go to the welfare department to get Medicaid if they need medical care so that the business is now being subsidized by public welfare. Isn't it about time that the business stands on its own feet and supports its employees?

Posted on Nov 12, 2012 8:22:19 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 12, 2012 8:23:41 PM PST
Bixby says:
Yah, who do those darn people think they are wanting health coverage! Let them lack basic medical care and treatment! I feel so bad for
PaPa Johns, GM, Boeing, Northr'p.. etc, what will they do if one of thier employees get cancer??? They might have to sell a vacation home or two or a couple extra cars.
Actually I am thrilled he was elected and the only person with bushel baskets big enough to get health care for everyone. I have been there, until my mid 30s I could not afford health insurance. I went most of the time with a case of strep throat or after a bad car accident as soon as possible to my job for fear of loosing it...yah the one without health coverage. It was terrible, even if I could have afforded it the deductable would have been so high so it was affordable (meaning most of my paycheck) that I still couldn't go to the doctor.
You must be someone that has always had super great health care or your retired with great benefits and medicare.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 6:44:51 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 13, 2012 6:45:28 AM PST
Magna Carta says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 7:00:28 AM PST
PIP protects you from cancer - good to know.

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 7:00:38 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 13, 2012 7:00:58 AM PST
Ryan says:
You can go to a doctor for less than $100, then what about the meds? What about if they need to use other equipment to check you out? Then what if *gasp* you are ever in a situation where you need to use the emergency room? Does an average person who cannot afford health care, really have an extra 10-20k lying around to pay for such a trip?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 7:00:49 AM PST
Tiercel says:
"All these companies and more said that the continued over regulation and added costs of healthcare would lead to job cuts. What you thought they made it up?"

...I agree with you...here's proof positive that our citizens should not be held hostage to a corporation for fear of losing healthcare. Time to stop all the bullshirt and provide single payer, universal medicare for ALL.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 7:00:57 AM PST
Spoken like the clueless 'I got mine so I'm better/smarter/harder working'. PIP may pay a portion of your health care costs; it does nothing to replace your income while you're unable to work. Kind of like long-term disability paying 60% of your base income since the other 40% is obviously discretionary.

You either have insurance, are wealthy enough not to need it, or have been very fortunate regarding your health. Good for you. Meanwhile, the average person in this country needs a basic health plan that's affordable. Should i ever have to pick up my insurance through COBRA it would cost over $800 per month, roughly half my mortgage payment.

Stop misrepresenting you winger!

How's that for civil discourse; I tried the form you seem most comfortable with?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 7:02:49 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 13, 2012 7:05:23 AM PST
I was a victim of hit and run when I was on the bike - Although a car took me out due to no fault of my own I was responsible for all costs (which were major).

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 7:03:36 AM PST
$800 a month? You are getting off cheap.

I changed jobs and was between work for 3 months about 3 years back. The family plan was $1400 a month with COBRA.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 7:09:01 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 13, 2012 7:41:57 AM PST
Magna Carta says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 7:46:25 AM PST
KessaJo says:
You mean like overnight after the election, without seeing what was going to happen, they fired people.

Sounds more like it was a vengeful firing spree - having nothing whatsoever to do with reality and/or the economy - or even what is best for their companies.

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 8:33:14 AM PST
lowbo says:
Would you buy a pizza from a little snot-nosed kid who holds his breath and stomps his feet when things don't go his way?

Me neither.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 8:41:18 AM PST
>>> Don Mcdougall says:
I mean honestly, you knew this was going to happen. PaPa Johns, GM, Boeing, Northr'p.. etc.

All these companies and more said that the continued over regulation and added costs of healthcare would lead to job cuts.

What you thought they made it up? <<<

Yes.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 8:41:25 AM PST
We'll see. For an alternative point of view:

Amid continued assertions by right-leaning politicians that full implementation of the Affordable Care Act will lead to significant job losses and stymie economic growth, the Urban Institute has released a study using Massachusetts as a model that predicts there will be little net effect to jobs and the overall economy if health reform is fully implemented.
"There is no evidence that Massachusetts health reform slowed economic growth in the state," the report concluded. "In fact, despite slower growth in (gross domestic product) relative to the rest of the country prior to health reform, GDP grew faster in Massachusetts relative to the rest of the nation after the implementation of health reform."

http://www.healthcarepayernews.com/content/urban-institute-health-reform-wont-lead-job-losses

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 8:44:43 AM PST
lowbo says:
This is as lame an excuse as the "business owners make hiring decisions based on tax rates" bullsh cons are so fond of.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 8:51:42 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 13, 2012 8:59:20 AM PST
Don,

Say that their is something to this beyond just bitterness over losing the election -I actually honestly believe the companies are making a very valid point.

More and more US companies are saying they can not continue to do business while covering the cost of healthcare for their employees. Its unsustainable for them. Guess what - that is the model the US operates under. If the employers are saying its too big of a burden we obviously have a major MAJOR problem with how health care is modeled in this country.

Lets take healthcare off the employers backs. Its a flawed system - we need to look at individuals being able to buy into large group pools outside of employment.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 8:51:45 AM PST
Bud128 says:
Way to ignore the part of what he said you didn't like. The poster did say emergency room costs, any equipment needed for tests like an MRI for example. There are many people in this country who if the had to pay $500 for meds in a month would have serious trouble.

Congratulations you could. I guess the people who cant should just stop being a bother and die.

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 8:57:48 AM PST
Companies like Papa-Johns could provide health insurance to all of there employees for around $0.18 a pizza. Yes 18 cents a pizza
I myself would be willing to pay the extra $0.18, I thank most Americans would be willing to pay even $1.00 or $2.00 more a pizza to give there employees health insurance.
I bet the CEO of Papa-John has the best health insurance money can buy, but this same person thanks there workers should not have health insurance.
To the person that said you can go to a doctor for under a $100.00, to a person making $8.00 or less an hour even $50.00 is a lot of money.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 9:02:29 AM PST
lowbo says:
This is why I can't believe corporations aren't fully behind a single-payer system.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 9:06:20 AM PST
S. Evans says:
lowbo says: "This is why I can't believe corporations aren't fully behind a single-payer system. "

Health insurance companies are a huge lobby, with millions to spend. That's who is against single-payer.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 9:21:02 AM PST
It sounds to me that they had contingency plans in place. If Romney was elected, Obmamcare was going to go away and they could maintain current staffing levels. If Obama was reelected, then they needed to cut headcount BEFORE Obama could institute any restrictions or penalties for reducing headcount. Successful business' plan ahead good business' plan far ahead and prepare for eventualities.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 9:27:43 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 13, 2012 9:28:58 AM PST
If Romney was elected, Obmamcare was going to go away

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And this was assured how? The Senate leading into the election looked as it would maintain Democratic majority. Romney signaled to keeping key parts of the legislation.

You think the repeal would have been a quick easy process? That is pretty naive.

Energizers restructuring was announced prior to the election - an update on plants closing was just announced. You look into these stories and they were not holding waiting the election - it was things that always happen at companies.

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 9:30:58 AM PST
D. Jones says:
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