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Initial post: Jan 16, 2013 6:10:53 AM PST
gginnc says:
In NC you have to obtain a permit , from the sheriffs department, to legally purchase a pistol or revolver or short rifle. The permit (that you pay for) requires a law enforcement background check and you also have to fill in a federal form at time of purchase. The feds must approve your purchase--be it a handgun or rifle. These people both state and feds know exactly who is buying the gun.

The only requirement for buying a car is $$$. No background checks or monitoring. Mass murderers and lawyers alike are free to buy a car any time any place. Violate the law?? You still keep the car. Kill someone, go get another car.

Way more people are killed with cars than guns. Drunk driving should be viewed as premeditated murder--no way. Wake up --let's do something that is really meaningful. Control cars.

Posted on Jan 16, 2013 6:14:12 AM PST
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gginnc - "The only requirement for buying a car is $$$"

You can buy it with no problem. You just can't drive it away without an inspection, registration, licensure, and insurance. And licensing can be revoked for non-driving offenses, such as being behind on child support.

So to translate this to guns, you'd need proof of training, proof of insurance in case you do something stupid, proof the gun had been inspected, proof of registration linking you as the owner to this particular gun, and a license from the government to operate the gun--a license that could be revoked whenever the government wanted. So this is the model you want to move towards? Registration *alone* would give the government a list of who owns every gun, to include the addresses where they can find you. I like your thinking!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 6:19:32 AM PST
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W.T. says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 6:22:37 AM PST
Debunker says:
I continue to be impressed by the depth of your idiocy.

Posted on Jan 16, 2013 6:27:48 AM PST
C. Batty says:
Cars are highly regulated.

Just a hint: So are movies and video games.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 6:29:10 AM PST
Unregistered vehicle laws vary by locality. In some areas you can be fined for keeping unregistered vehicles on your property.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 6:32:36 AM PST
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Bill - " I've had unlicensed, uninsured farm vehicles before"

Were they also unregistered? That's not a rhetorical question. If there's a '92 dodge in a field over there, isn't there a VIN linking the vehicle to an owner? Are we suggesting the same for guns produced today?

"And if you want to carry the weapon, you would need a concealed carry license."

Actually, to follow the model, if you wanted to carry the weapon off your property you'd need insurance, registration, licensure, and training.

I think the parallel between firearms and vehicles is limited, though, because a firearm can be "operated" on your property and still project lethal force a mile away. Me puttering around the farm in an old truck I never take off the property isn't quite the same thing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 6:35:41 AM PST
S. Evans says:
Bill says: "But you can drive a car on your own property without licensing or insurance."

Which makes it ever so practical unless of course your job, grocery store, gym, friends/family, etc. are also on your property.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 6:42:18 AM PST
gginnc says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 6:43:40 AM PST
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W.T. says:
"Which makes it ever so practical unless of course your job, grocery store, gym, friends/family, etc. are also on your property."

It's very practical if you have 320 acres that you regularly need to cross for maintenance and feeding, none of which requires ever approaching a highway.

I don't currently have a vehicle that fits this description because now I use an RTV, but I've had many such old "farm trucks" over the years.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 6:43:45 AM PST
gginnc says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 6:44:39 AM PST
W.T. says:
You can if you go to a swap meet (at least for now...)

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gginnc says:
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gginnc says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:03:44 AM PST
C. Batty says:
You have to pass a test and get a license before you can even test drive a car on a lot.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:06:54 AM PST
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gginnc - "My point is that there is already a ton of checks and counter checks in NC (and most states) before you can buy a gun."

No, your "point" was that cars were unregulated compared to guns. I just took your claim and ran with it. Guns should be at least as well-regulated as vehicles.

"I'll be that you can take most any car on the lot for a test drive."

If you have a license and they consider you reliable.

"Go to your local licensed gun dealer and see if you can take one for a test drive. "

So an angry guy runs into your store and says "I need to borrow a gun--quick!" and you just hand one over? But let me guess--you aren't responsible for what happens, are you? No one is. Just a tragedy. Can't be prevented!

"Leave a gun exposed in your car and ... will be reduced to tears and screams."

Not me. I'm fine with you leaving the gun there--as long as you're held responsible if someone steals it and kills someone. You left a deadly weapons out where it could be seen and easily taken. If someone pilfers it from your auto and murders someone, you should be in jail right next to them.

"they certainly don't want to be forced to accept any form of responsibility(foranything.) "

Not quite making sense there. If I'm saying we should have mandatory licensure and registration, I'm asking for more responsibility, not less. Saying "I get anything I want, with no oversight" doesn't really scream "hold me responsible, please!"

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:11:53 AM PST
W.T. says:
"Depending on the circumstances, swap meets are problematic. Swap meets are great dumping grounds for "hot" items of all kinds."

That is true, but then, it always pays to be careful. Stolen guns have ended up in legitimate shops five states away too.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:12:21 AM PST
Debunker says:
Hey..I"m still waiting for you to cite the source for your moronic claim that 25% of slaves were owned by other blacks.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:13:20 AM PST
Debunker says:
"Not quite making sense there".

Read a few more of GGINC's posts. You'll see your assessment holds up quite nicely.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:14:36 AM PST
S. Evans says:
Mark: "Not quite making sense there. If I'm saying we should have mandatory licensure and registration, I'm asking for more responsibility, not less. Saying "I get anything I want, with no oversight" doesn't really scream "hold me responsible, please!" "

But that's the conservative way: decry lack of responsibility, then when asked to exhibit some, scream about losing one's freedom. I think their most cherished one is freedom from responsibility.

As for the ridiculous OP: In this state -- which is typical -- to drive a vehicle you must take a written and practical exam showing that you know the rules of the road, what the various signs mean, and how to safely operate the vehicle. Same with a motorcycle, or a commercial vehicle/truck. Then you must provide proof of insurance, a safety inspection slip, and proof that you paid your personal property tax (for said vehicle) to get plates for it. In this municipality, you can't even keep a vehicle with expired plates on your property without a fine.

I'd be just fine if guns were treated the same way as vehicles.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:21:59 AM PST
Debunker--
Stay tuned. You've not begun to comprehend the bottomless depth of shallowness represented by that intellectual black hole; it's a mystery for physicists.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:23:49 AM PST
gginnc says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:26:00 AM PST
S. Evans - "I'd be just fine if guns were treated the same way as vehicles. "

I'm beginning to think we should thank GGINC for their forward-thinking views on gun control. We should start regulating guns like we do cars! Great job gginnc!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:26:44 AM PST
W.T. says:
It would save time and money if they replaced the current background check with a one-time licensing, after which you can buy whatever guns you need without having to do the check every time. Maybe it could be renewed every 5 or 10 years. That would save a lot of resources by eliminating repeated checks.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:27:36 AM PST
gginnc - "By the way, evertime you buy a gun there is an entirely new background check performed. "

It sort of matters whether a warrant for your arrest was issued last night. Or is that too much responsibility?
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