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Recipe for disaster, high inequality and guns everywhere


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Initial post: Dec 23, 2012 9:42:09 AM PST
Treehugger© says:
http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/violence_0.gif

Homicide rates are lower and children experience less violence in more equal societies.

guns don't kill people but inequality does?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 10:06:40 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 23, 2012 10:07:08 AM PST
Truthseeker says:
Guns kill people and inequality means that there will be more desperate / mentally destabilized people with nothing to lose, with easy access to guns, to do desperate deeds,

America is a unique, ongoing disaster which is likely to get even worse.
The difference in civilized societies is that people with psychological problems don't have easy access to guns.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 10:38:20 AM PST
B. A. Dilger says:
So that's what this is all about? That the masses will rise up and throw off the yokes of oppression? Won't work. Americans are basically a selfish, self-centered people except for the occasional heroic act. Policemen, firemen, medics, and even citizens rise up in time of disaster to perform great acts of courage. But overthrow the oligarchs? Never happen.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 10:41:24 AM PST
Truthseeker says:
No, but some unemployed poor people, made desperate from inequality could easily take up arms and commit mayhem, given that it is so easy to get arms in America.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 10:43:30 AM PST
Treehugger© says:
Agreed. Sadly the rich have the system rigged. Add to that a health care systems that profits from people being more sick, not less. More debt because wages are not sufficient. More war. More prisons. It all funnels money to the elites.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 10:54:36 AM PST
Sorry to say but Dilger is right. Most people have their heads buried and take no notice that they are being exploited and manipulated by the elites here.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 12:22:58 PM PST
Treehugger© says:
Teenage motherhood is less common in more equal societies.
Homicide rates are lower and children experience less violence in more equal societies.
There is more social mobility in more equal societies
Children do better at school in more equal societies.
People in more equal societies are less likely to use illegal drugs.
Inequality fuels status competition, individualism and consumerism.
Unequal societies are harsher, they imprison a higher proportion of people.
People in more equal societies live longer, a smaller proportion of children die in infancy and self-rated health is better.
Obesity is less common in more equal societies.
People in more equal societies are far less likely to experience mental illness.
Unicef measures of child well-being are better in more equal societies.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 12:24:53 PM PST
Treehugger© says:
Almost two{thirds of the higher homicide rates in southern (as com-
pared to northern) states of the United States are attributable to their
greater income inequality. There are lower rates of homicide in the
Canadian provinces than in the states of the USA as a result of their
smaller income differences

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 12:29:02 PM PST
Treehugger© says:
there seems to be a profit to be made in more guns, sicker people, more violence, harder to obtain a higher education,

this all of course makes it easier to set up a larger group of individuals willing to go into the military and blow things up so then we have a industry that rebuilds those destroyed countries.....more profit

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 12:36:41 PM PST
Canada is sounding better all the time in today's mess of a society.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 12:46:29 PM PST
Treehugger© says:
Conservatives are becoming more predominate in Canada lately

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 12:50:12 PM PST
Shhhh, I don't think they want yanks invading them. But I agree, they've sort of got a best of both worlds thing going on up there. It's like a middle ground between US and Euro society.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 12:58:33 PM PST
venussansfurs,

Exactly - the best of both worlds, with government and the private sector working hand-in-hand.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 1:03:52 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 23, 2012 1:05:34 PM PST
Yes, but what I was referring more to is that they have some European qualities as well as North American ones. So it's not as much of a culture shock as if one of us would go live in Europe as opposed to living in Canada. But yes, generally their society is more equally distributed than ours is and their form of government works better for them as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 1:06:18 PM PST
Truthseeker says:
Canada is the reasonable, efficient, prosperous and pragmatic society that America used to be.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 1:11:05 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 23, 2012 1:24:38 PM PST
Mike says:
The French Revolution is just one historial example of what happens eventually when the elite take the stance that it is the poors own fault for being poor and a "let them eat cake" attitude persists.

It is not the only example. It's in the wealthy classes best long term self interest to not game the system too much because it ultimately end with bad consequences for them.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 1:16:07 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 23, 2012 1:19:20 PM PST
They have progressed with the times. The US, in many instances, has not.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 1:27:15 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 23, 2012 1:27:22 PM PST
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Posted on Dec 23, 2012 1:32:39 PM PST
Mike says:
Hans,

You would have fit in very well just before the French Revolution. In fact your whole post was a perfect example of what I was talking about.

PS Yippee Ki Yay MF

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 1:34:06 PM PST
He would have ended up as guillotine fodder. ;o)

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 1:41:49 PM PST
Mike says:
Venus,

It would have been a far better thing than any he had ever done before.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 4:43:15 PM PST
B. A. Dilger says:
Then there was the study done on CEO pay a while back. I've not recent figures but the income difference between the lowest paid worker and the highest paid was something like 20 times in Japan, Germany, and Sweden. In an American corporation there was a royal 200 times difference. Today what is the reason? Are we any more competitive?

Posted on Dec 24, 2012 12:48:26 AM PST
Treehugger© says:
Reason? Not sure but over the last several decade many corporations have outsourced jobs. The executives stll have their jobs but the profits have increased because of the foreign labor. In the 1980s and before the US has a ratio of 7 manufacturing jobs for every one finance sector job. Now that ratio is reversed. Wall street produces nothing.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012 8:39:07 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 24, 2012 8:59:07 AM PST
B. A. Dilger says:
Thinking about an earlier post of yours, armed gangs loose in our society is already happening. Guns aren't always the weapons of choice, but repression, I mean the recession is making things more dangerous in our society. I wonder at their targets, the semi-affluent.

[Sorry that was another poster]
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