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Republicans deny 800,000 Pennsylvinians the right to Vote


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Initial post: Sep 16, 2012 4:15:39 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 16, 2012 4:16:11 PM PDT
Truthseeker says:
Did anyone watch NBC Nightly News yesterday night? Otherwise you can listen to it on Stitcher.

The Republicans in PA have passed a law to oblige everyone to produce a photo id in order to be able to vote. Problem is that up to 800,000 poorer Pennsylvinians and college kids don't have photo id like a driver's license, even though they are clearly citizens and have a social security id, or other forms of identification wihout photo.

So the net result will be that the GOP will be denying 800,000 of the nation's citizens the right to vote in PA alone.

The law has been challenged and is now pending decision by the PA supreme court.

Similar efforts to deny Democratic leaning people the right to vote are happening in over 30 GOP-run states.

This is proof-positive again that the GOP is busy implementing apartheid in America and destroying our democracy.

The election this November will be a travesty.

So many Americans will be denied their fundamental freedom - the freedom to vote.

Posted on Sep 16, 2012 4:21:21 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 16, 2012 4:21:53 PM PDT
C. Scanlon says:
nationwide, from florida through the carolinas to airzona

republicans have fought hard to deny blacks and latinos the right to vote

and have won . . .

they see money in winning back the white house

and ship their cash to overseas shelters

Posted on Sep 16, 2012 4:24:14 PM PDT
Captain says:
Pennsylvinia is not a state so they shouldn't be able to vote.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 16, 2012 4:26:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 17, 2012 4:44:33 PM PDT
LDVZ says:
Studies have shown that voter fraud is nearly non-existent and when it has happened it made zero difference in the outcome. The ONLY reason for vote ID laws is to disenfranchise the Democratic voter base, the poor, minority, elderly, urban, disabled voter. The Republican party is well known for doing everything it can to subvert the will of the people in place of its own will. It happened when a Republican judge in Florida sided in favor of Bush v. Gore and it continues to happen everyday as Republicans are always trying to find legal loopholes to win elections they could never win otherwise. The Supreme court has already found these laws to be malicious in their intent and they will no doubt be challenged over the next few months. The question is, will Mitt Romney steal the White House before that happens?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 16, 2012 4:31:18 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 16, 2012 4:31:40 PM PDT
C. Scanlon says:
with scalia and thomas and roberts and kennedy and alito running the SCOTUS, they will bring in the bought and paid for verdict, like with Citizens UNited and like with stealing the 2000 and 2004 elections

and mittens will nominate their successors

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 2:44:34 PM PDT
If "Pennsylvinians" want to vote in a US election, they'll have to move to one of the 57 states of the Union.

Posted on Sep 17, 2012 2:48:20 PM PDT
SK says:
Illegally taking away a voter's rights should be considered a type of fraud. Why is this being allowed? Some of the GOP leaders doing this should go to prison. And dial it back to those in FL & OH who did it in 2000 & 2004

Posted on Sep 17, 2012 2:52:38 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 17, 2012 2:55:17 PM PDT
Captain says:
"Studies has shown that voter fraud is nearly non-existent"

Replying to our study questionaires, 100% of respondents say they have never voted fraudulently.

Posted on Sep 17, 2012 2:54:26 PM PDT
Captain says:
Election judges, asked what steps they take to prevent election fraud, say "None. Why should we? Studies show that election fraud is nonexistent."

Posted on Sep 17, 2012 2:55:58 PM PDT
Captain says:
"So, since you don't look for it, you don't find it, and you use this as a justification for not looking for it?"

"You got it"

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 2:57:10 PM PDT
The Weasel says:
It's the only way they can win. If you can't win fairly just changethe rules. Repress millions of voters nationwide to "prevent" voter fraud -- 10-100 cases of voter fraud per election maybe.

Notice they don't try to do ANYTHING about absentee ballot fraud. But then absentees tend to vote GOP

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 2:59:07 PM PDT
The Weasel says:
Captain says:
"Studies has shown that voter fraud is nearly non-existent"

Replying to our study questionaires, 100% of respondents say they have never voted fraudulently.
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Try it this way. In 200+ years of elections no one has ever made a case for widespread voter fraud in a Presidential election. Well other than Bush and Florida. But even then it wasn' this type of fraud. That's okay though this type of discrimination my help in the short run, but it dooms that party in the long run.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 2:59:10 PM PDT
C. King says:
Where does this information come from? Picture IDs have been required on college campuses since the 1970s.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:05:44 PM PDT
Rhea D. says:
School issued photo id's (even if a State School) are not considered to be a government issued photo ID, and will not get you into the election booth (or a bar for that matter).

There are many many people who never had and do not have a state-issued photo ID. My grandmother ran her own business, had multiple checking, savings and stock accounts, but to the best of my knowledge never had a State issued photo ID. Pretty sure she had to have had a Passport in the early 1960's, but it was not anywhere in her papers when she passed a couple of years ago. She never drove, and did not have a birth certificate (wasn't born in a hospital), so making her go to the DMV and come up with the paperwork for a official state ID would have been a real imposition on her. (besides, don't all little old ladies look alike anyway, how is a picture ID going to ensure that the little old lady whose pic is on the id is the little old lady voting?)

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:10:44 PM PDT
VRWC says:
I'm not sure who the Pennsylvinians are, but I wopuld appreciate some proof that hundreds of thousands of college kids and teenagers in Pennsylvania don't have ID.

I grew up in Pennsylvania and can assure you that like most teenagers I had my drivers license firmly in hand about 15 minutes after turning 16....

My 15 year old son has had a student picture ID since he was 11....

The only people who could possibly have trouble with ID are shut in elderly, most of whom vote absentee and the bill that was passed provides funding to help such people maintain their IDs.

I call BS on your 800,000.... prove it....

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:17:45 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
<<I wopuld appreciate some proof that hundreds of thousands of college kids and teenagers in Pennsylvania don't have ID.>>

and i'd still like evidence that in-person voter fraud actually exists. oh well.

Posted on Sep 17, 2012 3:20:03 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
our legal system is based on the premise that it's preferable for 10 guilty men to go free, than for one innocent man to be imprisoned.

our voting system used to be guided by the same principle, but that's going the way of the dodo. so much for conservatism. i guess. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:20:24 PM PDT
C King, it is not that any ID is required, it is that they want to allow only certain IDs to used. For instance in Texas they want to allow an NRA permit as ID but not a VA card which has picture and social security number and is good enough to pay the cardholder's medical bills but not to vote. In Texas even applying for and receiving a free state ID was not really free at all and posed a direct hardship on elderly, handicapped and minorities.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:20:34 PM PDT
Rhea D. says:
sure, kids whose families can afford a car and the insurance and drivers' ed will all have the Driver's license in hand the moment they turn 16.

But the kids who can't even afford the $20 or so for the ID itself.... those kids probably won't. Maybe you would like actual proof that these kids exist too?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:21:05 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 17, 2012 3:22:37 PM PDT
Rasstro says:
VRWC,
Don't worry they are all full of it.
As the new PA voter law accepts valid photo I'd from an accredited public or private institute of higher learning.
http://www.dot3.state.pa.us/pdotforms/voterid/FAQs%20for%20Secure%20ID.pdf

Also acceptable is ID from ID issued from PA care facilities.

Maybe people should read the laws first before they go off half cocked on them.

Sue also since when could 16 year olds vote, great false argument.?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:21:22 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
by the way ...

http://www.politicspa.com/are-there-more-than-758000-pa-voters-without-id/38657/

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:24:31 PM PDT
VRWC says:
All of the new voter ID bills that I know of provide free ID for low income voters.... and even assistance for shut ins who need help maintaining their ID....

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:27:06 PM PDT
The Weasel says:
Rev. Otter says:
by the way ...

http://www.politicspa.com/are-there-more-than-758000-pa-voters-without-id/38657/
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Ooof. We'll have to see if gracefully accept the crow casserole or not.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:27:35 PM PDT
Rhea D. says:
Oh, I see what you're doing... you're claiming that every red blooded American would have a driver's license in hand the moment that they turn 16, and then when I point out that lots of American 16 years old would have no need to do that as their daddies won't give them an insured car, that you then accuse me of muddying the waters and providing a "false argument".

You're a slick one. Almost as slick as your boy Ryan.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 3:28:58 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 17, 2012 3:29:47 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
<<All of the new voter ID bills that I know of provide free ID for low income voters.... and even assistance for shut ins who need help maintaining their ID.... >>

yes. a taxpayer-funded, big-government, nanny-state solution.

for an imaginary problem that hasn't been shown to exist in reality.

and you're *cheering* this.

again, so much for conservatism. =/
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