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US no longer in top 10 in prosperity. Study cites Amercan laziness as the reason.


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Initial post: Dec 17, 2012 10:53:22 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 10:53:43 AM PST
W.T. says:
"Returning us to prosperity is central to the agenda of our newly elected and reelected leaders. But doing so requires an understanding of the causes behind our stagnant wellbeing. The Legatum Institute finds that a decline in entrepreneurship and economic opportunity, rather than slippage in education, health, safety or personal freedom, is to blame.

In particular, the authors say that the fall in prosperity:

". . .is driven by a decline in the number of US citizens who believe that hard work will get them ahead."

Quite a change from traditional American attitudes."

http://smallbiztrends.com/2012/12/balancing-economic-control-and-entrepreneurship.html?extlink=dw-openf-original-source

http://www.li.com/

Posted on Dec 17, 2012 10:54:41 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 10:55:00 AM PST
W.T. says:
Perhaps not just laziness, but also hopelessness.

Welcome to Obama's America: Abandon hope all ye who enter here.

Posted on Dec 17, 2012 11:01:19 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 11:03:50 AM PST
Boomy says:
"Born on third base...thought he hit a triple" description of Willard Romney...

Is it the Obama America that is like that...or the Romney America????

Posted on Dec 17, 2012 11:01:55 AM PST
Tony Bruno says:
Bill, or maybe they just have a better grip on reality than you do.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 11:02:22 AM PST
partly

but more so govt spending
too many regs
and the freeby mentality the dems have pushed to get elected with

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 11:03:25 AM PST
DonJuan says:
"I'm too tired to read the link..."

Now that is funny!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 11:05:08 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 11:09:20 AM PST
visionary says:
bill [[Welcome to Obama's America: Abandon hope all ye who enter here. ]]

You are so mentally slow you still think BO caused the nation's and world's economic problems. Break out of that bubble of yours and start to use your head. It's a wonderful experience.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 11:08:44 AM PST
visionary says:
and the [[and the freeby mentality the dems have pushed to get elected with ]]

Come on, horse, tell me how far you were able to get in school. The dems were elected because the reps fielded so many stupid people for office and many Americans were able to see that.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 11:35:46 AM PST
The Weasel says:
Bill says:
Perhaps not just laziness, but also hopelessness.
***
Wow, you sure give up easily. Kind of makes you one of those Americans that pushed us out of the Top 10 wouldn't you say?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 11:41:27 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 11:46:40 AM PST
". . .is driven by a decline in the number of US citizens who believe that hard work will get them ahead."

Maybe if wages would start growing faster than inflation, fewer of them would be right. As it is, you get poorer every year you work, so work is not getting you ahead.

Posted on Dec 17, 2012 11:48:54 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 11:49:24 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 11:56:54 AM PST
Believe it or not there are some cities (Memphis in this case, NYC was another) that are actually paying people to attend school, get good grades, go to the doctor/dentist etc. This is often on top of welfare benefits. They got the idea from Mexico, but the difference is that Mexico replaced their welfare programme with this.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2316501060/

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 11:57:10 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 11:58:28 AM PST
Replacing welfare with workfare is only useful if there is work that needs to be done. Our current jobs market is only sufficient to employ about 67% of the US population that theoretically could work. That figure didn't include people on Social Security Old Age Retirement or Disability. If you increased the full-benefits retirement age to 69-70 and found an excuse to throw half the people on disability off of it, you'd have over 20 million more people forced to compete with young, healthy workers in a jobs market that can't even come close to full employment as-is.

The reason our employment statistics are looking so bad is largely because the private sector isn't interested in employing that one-third of the US population, and the government isn't doing it either.

This is why we need a new Public Works Administration and a new New Deal. It's not like our public infrastructure is looking good, it's that the politicians are too spineless to ask the rich to pay their taxes so that it can be repaired and upgraded.

China isn't having these problems, because if something needs done, they hire someone to do it. The "no jobs" excuse doesn't work there, because the state makes sure there are jobs. The United States doesn't.

So, it's not just a problem of access to education. That's some of the problem, but it's not going to get us close to full employment. Even this "manufacturing renaissance" will create a few million new jobs, tops.

The US will never have full employment until the attitude of the public changes.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:01:46 PM PST
W.T. says:
It's a myth that our public infrastructure is aged everywhere. I'm sure there are places, but when's the last time you were on the interstate without running into construction? I can't drive two hours without running into it, so clearly the infrastructure is getting updated all the time.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:05:27 PM PST
http://shop.history.com/the-crumbling-of-america-dvd/detail.php?p=104694

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBSPcIGGcIc

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:06:48 PM PST
<This is why we need a new Public Works Administration>

Yeah, makes a whole lot more sense than spending trillions on unnecessary wars. The infrastructure in this country is horribly outdated and in drastic need of repair/replacement.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:09:30 PM PST
W.T. says:
But there are more places where the infrastructure has been repaired in the last ten years than not. Most states are in pretty good shape in that regard, actually. I know some places like California have horrible roads because politicians have spent their funds on other things, but that's not our problem here, where we have really good roads. They elected those idiots, so now they need to live with the consequences. It might change how they vote.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:09:43 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 12:10:49 PM PST
That's true, but how many workers have they got and just what are they doing? They also use the cheapest materials possible so they have to be repaired far more often. Also, the electric grid is antiquated/above ground and public transport is pretty much nil except in large cities. There's plenty more that could be done.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:13:18 PM PST
They don't want public transportation because car sales and oil company profits decline when people have access to it.

You'll notice that's the first thing the Republicans cut when they get ahold of a local government.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:14:22 PM PST
Brian Curtis says:
That's not laziness, that's recognizing a rigged system. American workers are still the most productive, and they have the least to show for it.

Or are you suggesting that Americans just aren't working hard enough--that they still have it too darn good? (Insert Thomas Nast cartoons here.)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:21:03 PM PST
Which makes the country look second world compared to other developed nations. For example, we had relatives from Europe come over a while back and they marvelled at all the power lines hanging in the air. Such things are just not done in wealthy countries elsewhere.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:22:21 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:27:38 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 12:27:57 PM PST
No, I'm talking about replacing military jobs with jobs that help people and provide useful services to society.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 12:58:40 PM PST
W.T. says:
I'm suggesting that we are turning into those bloated, lazy humans from Wall-E. For way too many people (literally tens of millions), it's easier to sit back and draw a "disability" check for a faked injury than it is to work.
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