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The 'real' reason Obama was re-elected: Obamacare a.k.a. Universal Health Care


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Initial post: Nov 13, 2012 10:57:01 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 13, 2012 4:53:14 PM PST
L. V. says:
If you are just listening to the pundits, one would conclude that Obama's re-election is the result of demographics. The reasoning goes that because Obama was able to garner the majority of the Latino vote as well as single women, younger women, college-aged students and the African-American vote as well as the gay vote is the reason for Obama's win. I agree, but one thing is missing and that is Obamacare.

What's most interesting is that the Right-wing pundits are not mentioning Obamacare as they were before the election. They were crossing their fingers and hoping the discussion would be about how Obamacare would never see the light of day under a Romney administration. They were counting their chickens before they hatched, because the Right was so fervent about Romney's path to the White House they never thought to consider he might not win. The big first-debate bounce and the "will of the people" to defeat this rogue president--though it was not meant to be. One of Romney's first acts as president was confirmed to be the repeal of the Affordable Care Act. What's so ironic of course is the Right's ignorance of the American peoples' views on Universal Health Care.

"In an extensive poll, Americans by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent, prefer a universal health insurance program over the current employer-based system" - ABCNEWS/Washington

Oddly enough it was their own President George W. Bush that passed one of the largest entitlement programs in U.S. history, the Prescription Drug Plan or Medicare Part D. Although there was some inter-party squawking about that move you didn't see throngs of Tea Party crazies filling the streets and demanding "smaller government" no, of course, it was their own Republican president so that move faded into "Didn't happen land" and all was fine.

Enter Obama, Enter Obamacare, Oh! Oh! the horror! The audacity! The usurper of a "free and prosperous America", yeah, that's what happens when sweeping federal programs are implemented under a Democratic president. The same thing happened when Social Security was enacted by Franklin Delano Roosevelt. The Republican party warned of the underlining nefariously Socialistic plot then, as they do now, BOO! scared yet? Fact is, Social Security is the best piece of the legislation this government ever enacted. It has kept countless Americans from falling into abject poverty. They are still impoverished, however they can afford food and somewhere to live. Before Social Security no such thing existed. If you couldn't afford housing then you hoped you had family, if not, too bad for you! Notice the Republican party no longer argues against Social Security due to its overwhelming popularity. But that's not due to a lack of effort. The Republican party is up to the same old tactics, destroy Universal Health Care before it takes hold, because once it does they will not be able to get rid of it. Their worst nightmare, "sharing."

The truth is, that garnering a majority of the Hispanic vote along with the American peoples' concern over health care or a lack of it was as much responsible for Obama's re-election as everything else. You will never hear the GOP admit this, it's all about their "missed opportunity", ignoring the Hispanic vote lead to their defeat. No, it's everything stupids! The current and hopelessly un-realitied Republican party ignores all common sense, all warning signs. Americans are in trouble, our bridges are crumbling and so are our bodies.

The Republican view is that the free-market is a fix-all, that if left alone the market always finds a cure. Ummm! No, I don't think so. I think when the "free" market is left alone it does whatever it wants, it crashes the world economy, it gives unscrupulous loans to people whom never should have gotten them in the first place. The free-market meme has been debunked. A Capitalistic system with no regulations is a slaughter house, it's corruption meets acceptance, it is "I got mine, now you get yours". It is an institution gone rogue. So...if you Repubs are wondering where it all went wrong, you can start there, Miss Ayn Rand was a kooky old lady with some very selfish habits, it's just too bad that the less intelligent among us take her so seriously. America needs balances, a government that works for the people and for business, not for business and then maybe a few people, maybe, sometime.

Get a clue! The Republican party has a bad image. If a Democrat or sane-minded person were asked what word or phrase best describes the Republican party it would be this: out-of-touch, GREEDY.

More bridges, more compassion for Americans. Less wars for profit, less government for the corporation by the corporation. Americans are just asking for all Americans to pay their share. Corporations are people right? Well people pay their taxes based on their income. It makes sense that those that benefit most from our American system would want to give back to the system that made their success possible. The majority of the people want corporations to pay their share, the majority of Americans want a fair health care system, the majority of Americans want new roads and highways. We want more living-wage jobs. Does that mean Mr. CEO fatcat might have to take a 20 million dollar take-home pay instead of 100 or 200 million? Yeah, maybe.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 10:59:58 AM PST
I'm with you Linda. Nice post.

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Posted on Nov 13, 2012 11:09:31 AM PST
south texas says:
the health care law was designed to be step towards universal health care and has nothing to do with helping people.

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TOPICWAQ says:
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W.T. Keeton says:
Obama got re-elected because he had a very effective ground game. His team was really good at having "wardens" assigned to blocks or apartments to make sure that (1) everyone voted and (2) they voted for Obama. Using this method to shape the vote, they managed to produce staggering results in key areas.

In 59 inner city districts in Philadelphia, for example, Obama won the vote 19,605 to 0.

Duplicate that around the country in key urban areas, and it's not hard to see how he won.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 11:20:15 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 13, 2012 5:11:17 PM PST
L. V. says:
Linda doesn't have a 401-k, what's that? You mean to tell me if we just keep the status quo more Americans would have living-wage jobs with benefits and 401-(k)s? LOL, yeah right! Americans haven't had jobs with 401-(k)s in 2 decades, they don't exist and if they do they are soon to disappear. It's the new era of "restructuring" becoming more "efficient" is what corporate America calls it. No! it's called corporate America raping the American people so they can have salaries that are in the millions instead of hundreds of thousands. It's the nature of the beast, if I can get away with giving you a penny for your work then I will, and they do, "they" can get away with it because "they" have bought off our government through-and-through. The government works for business and then, only incidentally for the American people, but only because they have to. I don't buy your argument, it's old, it's false and it has been debunked time and time again. Trickle down is a running joke for a reason, because it is spouted and spewed everyday without any basis in fact what-so-ever. We have given these corporations nothing but the benefit of the doubt at every turn, and look where it has gotten us. America is not asking corporate America to sever its right arm, we are simply asking for corporate America to go back to the tax rates we had under Clinton, and corporate America was doing just fine then, but with the advent of uber lobbying the corporation has learned how to divest in America in order to make more profits and they continue to encourage and sell this lie, and for good reason, it makes them richer.

(Reuters) - The net worth of the richest Americans grew by 13 percent in the past year to $1.7 trillion, Forbes magazine said on Wednesday, and a familiar cast populated the top of the annual list, including Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Larry Ellison and the Koch brothers.

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 11:24:26 AM PST
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south texas says:
19605 to 0 is really just hard to grasp, there had to be at least one person who said to the hell with this i am voting for the other guy.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 11:32:36 AM PST
L. V. says:
I have a job, I make a very modest salary and I know that does not make me any less of an American. You like to tell people that they have to have such and such job, make such and such money. Easy to say, you aren't me, so I don't know how you could possibly tell me what I should or shouldn't do.

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Sorry, but all nursing homes are privately owned now in my area. The ones that were government-owned that we used to have were less expensive and better run.

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Posted on Nov 13, 2012 11:39:05 AM PST
Gomb says:
When watching Romney in the first debate, he made a strong presentation but with regards to healthcare I was undecided whether he A) just doesn't get it, or B) he does get it and he's willing to leave grandma out in the cold without coming right out and saying it. I am inclined to think it was choice B, and he basically was saying 'yeah, you can just pay for your own healthcare'. That is fine for most of us, but there are some people who cannot afford the expensive premiums that come with healthcare insurance during old age. Romney was basically saying that those people will be either getting help from family members or they will just die a bit younger than they would otherwise. Obama on the other hand is out there fighting for these poor people, apparently not realizing or caring that he is beggaring the country in the process. These are people we are talking about, but depending on technology, there will likely be a point in the near future when we simply don't have the resources to support all these encumbrances. Natural selection and survival of the fittest are normal biological processes, it is a pity that only one candidate realized that and that most voters did not.

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 11:59:59 AM PST
Wow! A doctor will see her every day? Right now they typically see their nursing home patients once a month. Glad to hear there will be so much progress in the future.

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 12:09:57 PM PST
Slang Wright says:
It's hard for you guys to grasp because you have been living in an alternate universe. Thank God the rest of the country weren't as crazy as some thought.

The only reason Romney got the votes he did was because of fear-mongering by the Right machine. Such idiotic things as guns being confiscated. It's sad that some of you actually believed this stuff Hannity and Rush were preaching.

The 19605 people voted for their best interests...while there were hicks and other not smart people, who live in trailors in the booney's who voted as if they make above $250k.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 12:12:10 PM PST
Slang Wright says:
So you think that in the name of not paying any taxes...companies are not going to even attempt to make any profits for 4 years?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 12:14:22 PM PST
Meh. Most Americans support that, then.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 12:14:27 PM PST
south texas says:
you really need to get back on the meds and being we have heatlh care you should not run out anymore.

you guys as in we voted for different vision and not the obama vision. that is called a difference in opinion and there is no need for the insults.

if the obama vision was so great why did the dnc not get control of the house?

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 12:18:04 PM PST
Repubs lived in their own echo chamber where Obama is a bad guy and/or not an American. They also ignored that even if it's not leadership, his strength is in campaigning.

Plus Mitt was hardly a unifier in the Republican Party. He was the ugly girl at last call for you guys.

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Slang Wright says:
And you see it as a bad thing that people without a job have healthcare?

The vision the Romney camp had was manure...

Obama can have the greatest vision EVER and he will still have people who won't vote for him. They will CREATE a reason not to vote for him.

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 12:28:36 PM PST
Actually I think that's a stretch. Most of the country doesn't like ACA, including some who wanted single-payer instead. Obamacare is not UHC, not everyone will be covered and ACA was a giveaway to insurance companies primarily. There are predictions that insurance companies will raise rates considerably, just like what happened in Massachusetts.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/obamacare-become-reality-does-mean-130500698.html?l=1
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