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Initial post: May 14, 2012 10:17:05 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 14, 2012 10:19:13 PM PDT
M. Emrich says:
Obama's support for gay marriage and I support gay marriage. I swear Biden must have been paid off by the Koch brothers.

If Obama loses it will all come down to his coming out in support for gay marriage. I support gay marriage but not at the expense of healthcare for seniors, the poor, and the sick. Not at the expense of foodstamps for the poor. Not at the expense of a war with Iran. Not at he expense of the total destruction of the middle class by an ever widening gap between the haves and have nots.. All of this will happen if the Republicans win and that is certainly infinitely more likely than it was just a week ago. Thanks Joe Biden. Thanks for nothing.

And the Republicans call Obama's support a political move? Might have added some campaign contributions, but man will it cost him votes in areas he really needs em.

Posted on May 14, 2012 10:32:46 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 10:42:32 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
In reply to the original post, Obama will lose because he's done such a dismal job as President. I don't think his being proclaimed as "the Gay President" will really be a factor.

After all, he's not changing anything for gays. He's leaving it up to the states just like Dick Cheney said.

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 11:38:56 PM PDT
G. Garner says:
Gay marriage is to the Liberals what the old flag-burning amendments were to Republicans-a way to animate their base, but worth virtually nothing in practical terms.

The truly revealing component to the question is not the quest for legalization of gay marriage, but the overwhelming sense of importance with which the media imbue the story. It is fatuous to the extreme, as if they imagine that we are set to free the slaves all over again. It is an absurd, contrived issue. Gay couples can do virtually anything they want as it is. Marriage would offer them additional advantages, technically, but nothing that merits all of the hype.

No, the main thing is, support for gay marriage offends old, tired, Bible-thumping white folks, so it HAS to be the way to go, right? Liberals love gay people, the same as they do Muslims and illegal immigrants, simply because it places them at odds with the mainstream. No other or better reason is needed.

Posted on May 15, 2012 12:08:58 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 2:04:56 AM PDT
Georgedc says:
It *may* cost him some votes, but it will go down in history as the right thing to do just like supporting women's right to vote, black equality, and interracial marriage when these were all unpopular at the time.

Being the 1st president to support gay marriage, the 1st president to bring health care to all americans, the one to kill bin laden and destroy al qaeda, ending 2 endle$$ wars, awarded the nobel peace prize, saved our auto industry, saved our banks, put in wall street reform, and prevented a depression will all go down in Barack Obama's legacy as the GREATEST AMERICAN PRESIDENT!

❤OBAMA❤

Posted on May 15, 2012 12:18:42 AM PDT
Zato says:
LOL @ Nobel Peace prize.. really? Based on what exactly?

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 12:22:09 AM PDT
RichieV says:
Georgedc says: the 1st president to bring health care to all americans
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Richiev says: Let's not get carried way. Mandating that all Americans buy health insurance isn't exactly bringing healthcare to all Americans.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 12:24:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 12:24:38 AM PDT
M. Emrich - "If Obama loses it will all come down to his coming out in support for gay marriage"

The majority of Americans actually support gay marriage. Among the young, who Obama most needs to vote for him (since the old were going to vote R anyway), support for gay marriage is much higher. Even if it were completely political, it was a good move. The thing I was most disappointed in was his taking "off the table" the option of prosecuting anyone in the former administration for war crimes. He would've been better off not explicitly taking it off the table, just doing a cursory investigation, going through the motions to placate the liberals (me among them) and then ultimately doing nothing of substance. Outright admitting that he was going to ignore the possibility of felonies and human rights violations was not a very principled move. Sad that people think support for gay marriage is immoral and stupid, but indifference to possible war crimes is not.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 12:30:58 AM PDT
Intrepid says:
How about reduction bilaterally of 1/3 of the nuclear-stockpiles of the US and Russia very early on. There is a cordial relationship that he developed with Medvedev. Trilateral agreement with Russia and China to share info and limit expansion of violent Muslim zealots that plague them more. So far preventing Israel from attacking Iran and dragging us in. Supported by senior military generals as the right move.

Posted on May 15, 2012 12:50:34 AM PDT
esanta says:
President Obama is not going to lose a single vote over this. The dumbest thing he's done in his presidency? I think it's a tie between the insufficient size of the stimulus, and the continuation of the Bush tax cuts.
Overall, his weakest point has been his willingness to cooperate and reach a consensus with a Republican party gone off the deep end.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 3:49:34 AM PDT
It was the upcoming ❤love❤ bombs for Libya, Yemen, Syria etc. Surely Řbama is in the running for 2012. When there is collateral damage when the babies and moms and innocents get blown to bits I am sure it will get overlooked.

Posted on May 15, 2012 5:11:39 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 6:26:50 AM PDT
No, the dumbest thing Obama did was to remove the public option from his health care proposal to accomodate Republicans and big insurance companies. Coupled with the Afghan conflict, which few people care for.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 5:22:12 AM PDT
Voice of god says:
I think your assumption that it will cost Obama votes is based on a fallacy. You think that people who support gay marriage are already to the left of him and will vote for him anyway. But that assumes that those people will actually vote.

Unless there's a reason to care about Obama winning, then no one's going to bother finding whatever obscure elementary school they need to go to just to punch a ballot for him rather than the other guy. Supporting gay marriage is one way for Obama to set himself apart from Romney, who's damn near indistinguishable from Obama if you look at their actual records.

What this does is position Obama as an actual Democrat, and one with a backbone who's willing to take a risk rather than kowtow to conservatives like he did for the first two years. That's not a guarantee of voter turnout, but I'd argue that it's better than a guy who's compromised on pretty much everything since before his presidency.

Posted on May 15, 2012 5:38:48 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 5:39:51 AM PDT
M. Emrich says:
I should have reworded the original post perhaps to say the dumbest political move. I think it was the morally correct thing to do though. I am very happy with Obama as President. I agree with a few of the remarks here from the left, but even if there is a slight favorable percentage to gay marriage it is overwhemingly opposed in swing states and with moderates. That is why I believe this was political suicide. I hope that I am wrong.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 5:39:52 AM PDT
C. Batty says:
Weirdly, its also Obama and not the Republicans who supports health care for all.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 5:50:04 AM PDT
M. Emrich - " it is overwhemingly opposed in swing states and with moderates"

No, it's only "heavily" opposed in the South, which Obama never had a chance with anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 6:10:25 AM PDT
Kevin says:
"If Obama loses it will all come down to his coming out in support for gay marriage."

That is ok. Compassionate people put the good of others ahead of their own. He could lose 4 more years of Presidency, but gays will always know that their President upheld the 14th Amendment, which has bestowed upon them the same rights as heterosexuals have; unlike those who think the majority can decide which segment of the population can or cannot benefit from those rights.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 6:23:10 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 6:27:27 AM PDT
I really don't think the gay marriage issue will be a deciding factor in whether or not Obama gets re-elected. He may pick up a few votes from gays and liberals from this declaration but most of the population is more concerned with the ecomony rather than social issues such as this.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 6:23:46 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 6:31:30 AM PDT
Eagle Eye says:
Kindly tell me what rights heterosexuals have that homosexuals don't have. Don't try marriage as a gay person can marry a member of the opposite sex the same as a straight person and a straight person is banned from marrying a member of the same sex exactly like a gay person. So what rights do straights have that gays don't? I am neither pro nor con to the gay marriage issue. I just don't like the phony excuse that gays don't have the same rights as straights.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 7:13:52 AM PDT
Eagle Eyes - "I just don't like the phony excuse that gays don't have the same rights as straights."

You can just as easily say "hey, blacks have the right to marry someone of their own race, just as everyone else!" Bigotry is bigotry, and your disengenuous argument isn't persuading anyone.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 7:16:41 AM PDT
If I marry my greek male lover -does he get a green card?

If I marry my midwestern boy friend and he has a serious health problem and I give protection under the Family medical leave act for time off of work?

Posted on May 15, 2012 7:17:02 AM PDT
Those who base their opposition to gay marriage on religious grounds are basing their belief on a strict reading of Leviticus 20:13. This says that homosexuals must be stoned to death as an abomination. But, oddly enough, they don't mention the rest of that chapter. In Leviticus 20 it also says that all adulterers must be stoned, so I guess we've got to catch up with Newt. Also, all children who are disrespectful to their parents, which would mean eliminating the majority of teenagers in the world. It seems our evangelical Christian friends only have a strict interpretation of biblical statements they agree with and are willing to let the rest slide. I also thought it was weird that Romney was giving the commencement address at Liberty University which includes Mormonism as a cult in their curriculum and teaches methods to "combat" it. I also find it impossible to reconcile their hateful rhetoric on gays with the Golden Rule.

In our Declaration of Independence it states that "all men are created equal." It doesn't say all men except those gays, Hispanics and black people. It says all men are created equal. That excerpt was used by the civil rights movement back in the 50's and 60's to demonstrate that they were equal to any white man and entitled to the same rights. Ironically, now many of those same black people who fought for their civil rights are now willing to deny those rights to another minority based on a couple of lines in the old testament.

You know, the right has been screaming for four years that Obama is not a Christian; but he's the one who is supporting the best of Christian ideals - "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And they say he's anti-American; but by making this statement of his support for gay equality, he is the one who is supporting the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 7:41:08 AM PDT
Eagle Eye says:
Gee let's bring race into the argument that will really fortify my side! Sorry, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, and any other American has the same rights as everyone else. Now big shot show me where gays don't have the same rights as everyone else! Your strawman argumrnt doesn't hold water.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 7:48:48 AM PDT
Eagle Eye says:
Ann
In our Declaration of Independence it states that "all men are created equal." It doesn't say all men except those gays, Hispanics and black people

It doesn't say women either, so your point is?

Posted on May 15, 2012 7:53:07 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 7:57:10 AM PDT
Eagle Eye says:
I am not arguing whether gays should be allowed to marry or not! My argument with liberals, you make the false charge that gays don't have the same rights as straights, which just isn't true. Now if you want to use the argument that it should be up to the church or state to sanction gay marriage that is something else and I will agree. However it must be a states rights issue, and not forced on the states by the federal government.
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