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My biggest concerns about the Election

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Initial post: Nov 5, 2012 10:13:45 PM PST
TN says:
Voter suppression and voting machine "malfunction", hacked by their Republican manufacturers (Diebold)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 5, 2012 11:56:47 PM PST
Or bull crap charges thereof. If the Republicans win, I'm sure that the Democrats will make the allegation, whether it's true, or not.

Can't people request a paper ballot, for write-in candidates? You can here. I just use a paper ballot because I like it better (and it's flu season, and no one cleans those buttons).

Posted on Nov 6, 2012 12:24:10 AM PST
Katrina says:
In this age of smart phones, GPS devices and 'tablets', we really need to stand in line for 6 hours to vote?
It's like some people riding around in a horse and buggy came up with this.

Maybe the hipsters in Congress should farm this out to Silicon Valley?
(or, if Romney wins,....China) (?)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 12:29:01 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 6, 2012 12:29:47 AM PST

Paper ballots in a lot of precincts are called absentee ballots!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 12:51:40 AM PST
Absentee ballots here are what they call ballots you request in advance of the election-- not that those are that hard to come by, either. I was still being offered one by phone last Thursday or Friday.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:31:28 AM PST

For many states if you want paper you have to request it in advance!!! There is NO audit trail in most of those!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:35:10 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 6, 2012 1:38:31 AM PST
How many states have Diebold voting machines? We don't.

(Or, we didn't last year... I haven't seen what we have this year, yet... but, they don't ever seem to change).

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:37:45 AM PST

My precinct has what look like paper shredders ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:39:00 AM PST

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:40:52 AM PST
PF says:
Write-ins are done right on the touchscreen in my county. They don't require a paper ballot, and they probably won't count. Unless a candidate circulated and received a qualifying number of signatures to appear on the statewide Pennsylvania ballot, the state does not obligate any of the counties to recognize write-ins. Those certified write-in candidates would in theory appear on the ballot itself with a party designation of write-in candidate, but that has never happened yet.

My home county tabulates the total number of write-ins received but does not break that tally down by individual names unless there is no clear winner among the balloted candidates. Again, that need for tabulation has never happened yet. Some of the counties in PA don't ever count write-ins that didn't qualify for ballot status, even if one of the write-in candidates could potentially win.

If people want to request paper so there's a paper trail, that's done by provisional ballot. Just as with write-in votes, the state doesn't mandate that counties tabulate provisional ballots unless they are likely to affect the outcome. County election supervisors have to qualify the provisional ballots to determine if they are eligible to be counted but don't have to run a tally on them until after the results from the voting machines fail to show a winner.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:43:52 AM PST

You do realize they are "blackened bubble" readers, right ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:45:41 AM PST
I'm not saying that I actually write in a candidate. They provide paper ballots because, after the first person writes in a candidate on a voting machine, it's a mess.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:47:09 AM PST
PF says:
We have Diebold AccuTouch machines here in Lehigh County, but the other 67 counties in PA can pick and choose their systems from a pretty wide range of state-approved systems. AccuTouch machines have an optional internal tape for a paper trail, but Lehigh County does not run it since the state won't reimburse those costs.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:48:47 AM PST
PF says:
Why a mess? I've been a volunteer poll worker in more elections than I've sat out, and I've never really encountered too many problems with write-ins bunging up the works. It's all saved to the machine's internal memory and handled by optical character recognition, just as scanned paper ballots would be.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:51:56 AM PST
The only way to write in a candidate on our voting machines would be to pull out a Sharpie and just scribble it over the face of the machine.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 1:59:39 AM PST
PF says:
Before we switched to the AccuTouch, we used another Diebold model that had a small paper tape visible in the upper right of the machine. A pen was tethered right to the machine where people could write in their candidate.

Back in the days of mechanical rather than electronic voting, pulling the lever moved a thermal pen to mark a box on the tape for balloted candidates. If the voter wanted a write-in, it was merely written on that tape.

I had some grave privacy concerns about those two machines, since poll workers had to verify that a write-in was the voter's choice and insert a keycard to register the vote. It meant I knew who had just voted, and saw their chosen candidate and there was no secret ballot.

We traded one problem for another when the county chose to go full electronic. Now it's all kept private as the voter himself certifies that the handwriting that appears on the confirmation screen was his intended vote, and when he removes his voter card it stores the votes in memory and resets the machine to the main screen. But there's no paper tape, so there's no backup method if there's a problem with the machine.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 2:32:00 AM PST
PF says:
I just looked up the HAVA timeline for compliance with standardized balloting of federal elections. Section 302 should have been implemented in your polling place no later than January 2004. If your electronic machines do not allow you to cast a write-in ballot without requesting a stand-alone paper ballot your state is technically committing election fraud.

I hope you were talking about elections prior to the past 2 federal ones when you said you could not write in a candidate from the voting machine, or your state holds your civil rights to an accountable ballot rather cheaply.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 3:48:37 AM PST
The internet is nowhere near secure enough for lazy ungrateful Americans to be able to expend as much effort as sending a text message to vote. Let me guess, you don't think people should have to go through the "effort" to get an official ID in order to vote.

Can you imagine the number of liberals that would have a conversation with a homeless person for the first time in their lives if that were possible? "Use my smart phone to vote and I'll give you a smoke."

Posted on Nov 6, 2012 3:57:15 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 4:20:24 AM PST
Well, they don't have any pencils or styluses in those booths. Maybe they have some way to do it that I didn't spot as I passed by-- telepathy or something. I just never liked the machines, anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 8:40:02 AM PST
TN says:
Only the old fashion paper can serve as reliable proof. Try to do something with the Social Security Administration with a copy or a digital image. They won't accept nothing but the original.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 8:56:07 AM PST
Katrina says:
Mark Chapter Thirteen says:
The internet is nowhere near secure enough
The IRS seems to disagree with your assessment.

(and PS. I think everyone needs some kind of 'PIN' number or ID)

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 6:25:47 AM PST
After coming from voting, I still don't know how that voting machine was supposed to let people write in candidates.

They only had one machine. Everything else was little waist-high tables with privacy screens, paper ballots, and black markers. The machine looked like a thick laptop with legs and privacy guards around it. When I walked in, one person was using it. No one else chose to use it after him. Actually, as you checked in, they handed you a paper ballot and offered you a privacy sheet to cover it when you handed it in, and told you to choose any booth. I suppose that you had to ask if you wanted to use that machine.
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