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Do defense attorneys deny us a representative government?


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Initial post: Jan 15, 2013 10:57:20 AM PST
R.M. says:
Several times I have been called to jury duty but never once have I been kept for a jury.

Most people I hear talk about jury duty lament considerably over the possibility of "wasting" their day at the court house. Other people are critical of "how could that jury let him go". Someplace these two groups have some people in common practicing hypocrisy.

How can out government be representative of the people when many of us are not allowed to be a part of the jury of our peers? A simple tort case between a HOA and a home owner brings in 48 persons to choose a jury of 12 and 2 alternates. Twenty of these people are "thanked and excused" without so much as asking them a question. Did they wear the wrong color shirt? Was it the Christian pendant? Was that man too much of a hippy or was that woman obviously a mother?

Where there is obvious bias, then of course potential jurors should be excused. But should there be an option or even a right for citizens to be allowed to serve their community? Too many of us are told our opinion doesn't matter in a phase of the government when everyone should be represented.

We already have judges of obvious bias deciding cases. We chose a jury of 12 to undercut the inevitable bias of a person or two.

Do you think courts should be required to use a person who wants to serve their community? Or should we just all sit back and complain when we don't know how the court could have made that decision?

Posted on Jan 15, 2013 11:15:38 AM PST
C. Scanlon says:
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Posted on Jan 15, 2013 11:25:30 AM PST
Rev. Otter says:
i'm not sure we have a "right" to serve on a jury.

defendants do have a right to a jury of their peers, and it's the defene attorney's job to select those "peers", not ours.

i'm not defending the system; i just don't think not-getting-selected-for-a-jury is a violation of our right to participatory government. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 11:28:26 AM PST
The Weasel says:
AB,

Why just defense lawyers? You realize that defense and prosecution both get the same number of juror challenges right?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 11:28:52 AM PST
"Was it the Christian pendant?"

No, they like those dumb and churchy types.

"If you can make people believe absurdities, you can make them commit atrocities." -Voltaire

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 11:44:51 AM PST
R.M. says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 11:51:30 AM PST
ignatov says:
"only Defense Attorneys want to see injustice done"

Nonsense. They want to keep innocent people out of jail.

Posted on Jan 15, 2013 12:01:43 PM PST
Mark Time says:
So Scanlon, is the Trayvon case the only case you have ever encountered?
I wonder if those who so dislike our system have another system in mind? With what would they replace our system?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 12:05:53 PM PST
R.M. says:
Well now, that wouldn't be injustice to keep innocent people out of jail. So let's just agree they do both.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 12:08:03 PM PST
We don't have a right to serve on a jury, we have a duty as citizens to serve.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 12:09:06 PM PST
No they want to keep ther client out of jail regardless of innocence or guilt.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 12:16:48 PM PST
Rev. Otter says:
correct.

conversely, we also have a duty, as citizens, to not-serve when we're dismissed from juror service. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 12:21:55 PM PST
Read the Federalist papers the court is the weakest branch has no mean nor will only judgment. The Supreme Court can be ignored of the president and congress choose which as happened. Generally it takes other branches going along for the Court ruling to have any meaning. The court only has power because of the tradition of respect for the judgments.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 12:52:00 PM PST
R.M. says:
I studied the Federalist Papers under Edward Euler. I know what you are saying but it doesn't change my frustration at a court system that excludes the members of it's society that typically hold my values. I am precluded from having a jury of my peers because my peers are typically excluded from being on juries.

Posted on Jan 15, 2013 1:01:10 PM PST
Mark Time says:
Why would one choose the name "Anita Bryant"?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 1:10:41 PM PST
*I studied the Federalist Papers under Edward Euler. I know what you are saying but it doesn't change my frustration at a court system that excludes the members of it's society that typically hold my values. I am precluded from having a jury of my peers because my peers are typically excluded from being on juries.

People still get convicted.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 5:02:28 PM PST
R.M. says:
I am not sure if you took something I said to mean that people do not get convicted. I do recognize that people still get convicted. Maybe I am missing some meaning in the four words of your reply.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 5:04:36 PM PST
R.M. says:
Mark Time says:
Why would one choose the name "Anita Bryant"?

Reply> Because Mr. and Mrs. Bryant liked the name Anita. Why would someone choose "Mark Time"?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 8:06:21 AM PST
*I am not sure if you took something I said to mean that people do not get convicted. I do recognize that people still get convicted. Maybe I am missing some meaning in the four words of your reply.

I think the impact is greater on civil litagation cases where dumbed down juries can not get the technical aspect but are swayed by more emotion. I am not sure if you think that too many or too few people are convicted. Juries have to decide if the person did it and if the case can be made to get them off our streets.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 8:17:57 AM PST
DEEZUS says:
what are your values that keeps you off juries?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 8:20:38 AM PST
Are you saying that if 48 people are brought in, 48 people should be put on the jury? They'd be as likely to reach a verdict as the GBF participants are to agree on something.

I bet lawyers kick you off because you're so anxious to be on the jury. Lawyers may be terrified of someone who's goal is to sit on a jury so he can tell other people what to do.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 8:21:46 AM PST
DEEZUS says:
This^

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 8:33:56 AM PST
R.M. says:
No, 48 people are brought in. 12 are put on a jury, 2 are picked as alternates and the remaining should have the option to be put back into the pool and perhaps be selected for a different jury. Otherwise the juries will never reflect some segment of our society. If it is a court that deals with business litigation and suspected Occupiers are always kicked off then the court will never reflect that part of our society.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 8:35:43 AM PST
R.M. says:
I'm not anxious to be a juror. Don't make this personal. I'm trying to discuss an idea here. Should we the people have the right to be serve as jurors or is it right that some segment of society never be allowed to serve?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 8:39:57 AM PST
DEEZUS says:
which segment of society is not being allowed to serve?!?!?!
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