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Clackamas man, armed, confronted mall shooter


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Initial post: Dec 16, 2012 5:41:55 PM PST
J. D. Young says:
PORTLAND -- Nick Meli is emotionally drained. The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire.

"I heard three shots and turned and looked at Casey and said, 'are you serious?,'" he said.

The friend and baby hit the floor. Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.

"He was working on his rifle," said Meli. "He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side."

The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.

"As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them," he said.

Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.

"I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him," said Meli. "I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself."

The gunman was dead, but not before taking two innocent lives with him and taking the innocence of everyone else.

"I don't ever want to see anyone that way ever," said Meli. "It just bothers me."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 5:45:41 PM PST
When did this happen?

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 5:50:56 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 16, 2012 5:53:16 PM PST
J. D. Young says:
There you have it folks, this is what a lot of people, including myself have been saying for a long time. A gun in the hands of a law-abiding, trained citizens saves lives, doesn't take them. This young man said he did not fire at the mall shooter because he did not want to hit innocents. We keep hearing people say that guns in the hands of any private citizen is a mistake, this proves otherwise. This man had enough training and know-how to realize a safe shot versus a dangerous shot that could have endangered others. Can we say as much for the assailant that was killing people indiscriminately? One can only surmise what sort of outcome would have resulted if one, just one! of those teachers in Connecticut would have been trained in the use of firearms and had had one that day. We will never know. But we do know what happens when no one does don't we?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 5:51:49 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 5:53:53 PM PST
I often don't agree with your posts, but I am 100% with you on these.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 11:11:21 PM PST
What could have been the out come in CT if a teacher had pulled a legally permitted concealed weapon.....? 2 dead? A victim and then their killer?
Perhaps ZERO if it was known to the shooter that teachers packed?

Brother Niv

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 11:47:40 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 11:52:53 PM PST
I think a chance is better than none at all.

Posted on Dec 17, 2012 1:25:43 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 1:28:05 AM PST
J. D. Young says:
A better question is...why is this development in this shooter case being totally ignored by all the mainstream media? Seriously, I think we are looking at two clear cases here. One whereby the assailant was met with deadly force and potentially dissuaded from causing further harm and another whereby the assailant was met with no lethal force and continued on with catastrophic results? Why the media blackout? 2 dead in one case 30 dead in another. What gives?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 1:27:03 AM PST
Shooting children at school is like shooting fish in a barrel.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 1:33:52 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 2:28:55 AM PST
J. D. Young says:
True, but the opposite argument goes like this, these teachers were desperate, and I mean desperate! Rational, life-loving people do not lunge toward rifle fire unless they are terribly desperate. All of these teachers and the principle knew without a doubt that 'this' was a desperate moment and something, anything! to save the lives of the children had to be done. One can only shake their head and ask, what could one of these teachers have done if they simply had had a firearm that day? Simply chilling to think about the what-if on this one. Such brave souls, they must have known they weren't going to come out of this one alive.

Posted on Dec 17, 2012 1:41:18 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 1:44:03 AM PST
I agree. They should have had a chance. Even one armed teacher in that school could possibly have meant a few lives saved. But, the anti-gun crowd won't hear of it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 1:50:29 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 1:57:23 AM PST
J. D. Young says:
Please stay on topic and not let this this developing story languish due to tit-for-tat politicking. This issue really needs to be discussed. It is the total crux of the opposition's argument yet it is being totally ignored. I truly believe we are looking at two different case studies, one whereby things end quite a bit better than where things end on a heart wrenching note. Could an armed guard or staff member have lessened this or totally averted this disaster?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 1:55:02 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 1:56:24 AM PST
J. D. Young says:
Did you get a chance to follow and watch the video link I gave above Sunshine? I think watching the video shows how much poise and control this young man had in the face of such a terrifying incident. He behaved very well, and quite easily could have been the deciding factor in why this ended in 2 dead instead of 30.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 1:59:55 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 2:02:04 AM PST
Yes. I watched it. He seems like a good guy, and I agree that maybe because of him fewer lives were lost that day.

Edited to add: I think that video should be shouted from the sky.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 2:08:00 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 2:36:38 AM PST
J. D. Young says:
Cherry Sunshine says: "Edited to add: I think that video should be shouted from the sky."

I know, I find it terribly frustrating that the video hasn't got nearly as much attention as it deserves. I guess the people don't want to hear the truth about responsible, private citizens distinguishing themselves in a mass shooter incident. To them the answer is guns are bad, all guns. They refuse to accept the reality that guns aren't going anywhere. They'd rather blame the gun, pass more ineffective legislation and feel cozy until the next mass shooting occurs. And then we can wash, rinse and repeat. Nothing solved, just outrage and finger pointing.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 2:11:01 AM PST
You are 100% correct, and this happens every time one of these tragedies occurs.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 2:19:40 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 2:19:58 AM PST
J. D. Young says:
By the way, Switzerland issues weapons to every adult and these adults carry as a social rule; the country has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 2:24:06 AM PST
I know. I am a Libertarian. As a rule, we Libertarians are pro-Second Amendment. I hope you spell that factoid out, as well as the other good ones you have brought up, in the coming days to the people who need to hear it most. I'm not going to point fingers.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 3:06:48 AM PST
Bad Grandpa says:
What a total load of BS! This guy saved the day by chickening out and hiding from the gunman? Give me a break!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 3:13:46 AM PST
ET says:
Would you have preferred that he shot at the gunman and hit someone else?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 3:15:12 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 3:22:29 AM PST
J. D. Young says:
You are full of it, if this guy would have drawn his weapon and shot an innocent person we'd still be hearing about it, instead he used great restraint and made a split-second decision not to fire. We have no idea if the gunman saw Nick Meli pointing his weapon at him but we do know shortly after the gunman took his own life. The only contention being made here is that at least their was a good Samaritan citizen that was armed and was in close enough proximity to have fired his weapon in self defensive and the defense of others if need be. It didn't happen that way but at least the potential was there. Tell me Mr. Al Dente, what effective measure did the teachers in CT have to combat their assailant, their bodies?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 5:59:43 AM PST
C. Batty says:
So basically what you are saying is that forcing teachers to carry guns would be irrelevant because they wouldn't risk firing into a crowd of children.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 6:07:46 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 6:09:24 AM PST
J. D. Young says:
Lol, "risk of firing into a crowd of children", oh no! I am not suggesting that, that would be crazy. Better to let 30 children die by the hands of a crazed gunman than risk killing one child in order to stop the gunman right? If your question is 'does risk lie in every proposition' then the answer is yes. None of us is ever 100% safe. You make it sound as if every teacher is nothing but a bumbling idiot incapable of learning firearm safety and use. They are trusted to teach our children but too dumb to affect their own rescue, is that what you are saying?
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