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"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."


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Initial post: Jul 10, 2012 1:05:09 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 10, 2012 1:06:15 AM PDT
J. jones says:
It is now crystal clear that the real reason for the Voter I.D. laws is to keep literally hundreds of thousands of voters from voting in the general election. Look at what a U.S. Congressman admitted to, in Pennsylvania.

By Tony Romeo

HARRISBURG (CBS) - The majority leader of the Pennsylvania House has caused a stir with remarks about the controversial, recently-enacted voter photo ID law.

Speaking at the GOP state committee meeting over the weekend, House Majority Leader Mike Turzai, an Allegheny County Republican, was running down a list of achievements by the legislature in the current session.

PoliticsPA.com reports Turzai as saying (quote) "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done." (endquote).

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/06/26/pa-house-majority-leader-causes-stir-with-comments-on-voter-id-law/

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 1:17:33 AM PDT
j. jones,

Dumb politicians!!!! I wonder if he has the same speech writer as when Obama spoke about "cling to our guns"!!!

The state has reported about 9% that appear to be at risk in that they are on the rolls and not in the Id system. And we have a politician who is proud of alienating these people? That should turn everyone into a Democrat and I have heard of a couple Republicans, that have been Republican all their lives, that have vowed to not vote for a Republican again until they straighten out this expensive, restrictive, mess!

Posted on Jul 10, 2012 1:35:57 AM PDT
As a poster on another forum has pointed out: In 1972 Hurricane Agnes destroyed much of Harrisburg by flooding; including many of the state birth records and where they were kept.

So for those that think it is simple, or no problem, to go to the courthouse and get a certified copy of a birth record --- think again!

As for whether our new Republican Governor knew this, how could he not? We just had a similar flood in 2011 and all of the comparisons to Agnes were in the news.

Posted on Jul 10, 2012 2:11:54 AM PDT
yes, without all those ineligible, illegals voting, odds are PA, and FLA and Ohio and all the other swing states will put President Romney over the top.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 2:19:01 AM PDT
PF says:
It would be unreasonable to expect Tom Corbett not to remember Agnes. He was with the 28th Infantry Division, headquartered right there:

https://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&cid=7538976852876051431&q=National+Guard&iwloc=A&gl=US&hl=en-US

I don't know if he served in Harrisburg, or if he was one of those deployed to help beef up the ranks in NJ, Virginia, et al when other Guardsmen went off to Vietnam, but his command structure was intimately acquainted with Agnes. They were literally up to their butts in it, sandbagging and rescuing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 2:29:48 AM PDT
PF says:
PA is, of course, so very close to a border. While we do have a sizable Hispanic population in urban PA, they are primarily of Puerto Rican descent and therefore citizens.

There's an estimated 180,000 illegal immigrants in PA, out of a population approaching 13 million people. I'm really not too worried the vote would be swayed by illegals. I'm far more concerned about the money we spent verifying that 9% of registered voters, believe to be legally casting votes and not stricken from the rolls, are currently disenfranchised.

No illegal should ever vote, but draconian measures disenfranchising a known 758,000 legally eligible voters for the hope of catching the 180,000 people who may try to cast a vote would indeed be an abridgement of voting rights.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 2:50:26 AM PDT
"PA is, of course, so very close to a border."

irrelevant. I'm in Vermont, even further from the Southern border, and the farms are heavily mannned by immigrants

"There's an estimated 180,000 illegal immigrants in PA"
source? sounds low

disenfranchisement?
doubt it. don't know the specifics, but almost all voter ID laws allow provisional ballots, so no disenfranchisement takes place, just more credible elections

the left should recognize that voter ID is going to be the law of the land, and work to get everyone ID, if they have any concerns; instead of fighting a losing battle against the status quo

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 2:55:20 AM PDT
PF says:
The source, deemed high by many, is from a PAC actively seeking immigration reform. I cherry picked a number on your side's favor.to give you the highest potential impact, which is still an insignificant 2% of the 8.2 million registered voters.

http://www.fairus.org/states/pennsylvania

You in Vermont must have very sharp eyes to spot all 5,000 of your illegals traveling in such packs:

http://www.fairus.org/states/Vermont?A=SearchResult&SearchID=2184329&ObjectID=5121362&ObjectType=35

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 2:58:40 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 10, 2012 2:58:55 AM PDT
"source, deemed high by many, is from a PAC actively seeking immigration reform."

deemed of zero credibility as they are admittedly biased.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 3:00:03 AM PDT
PF says:
So then you admit that the real numbers must be lower, since staunch deportation advocates exhibit such bias. Good to know. Maybe you'll stop being so afraid of the maybe less than 4,000 boogeymen in your back yard now.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 3:02:30 AM PDT
still an insignificant 2% of the 8.2 million registered voters.

and this will surely be a close election, so we wouldn't want it stolen by 2% who are nonAmericans and thus ineligible to vote

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 3:05:56 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 3:14:31 AM PDT
PF says:
Of course we wouldn't, but there's never been a prosecuted case of an illegal voting by an illegal in PA, ever. Nor is there much suspicion of it, since the state has more money for its ICE branch than is probably needed, given the small number of immigrants in the state.

Resources would be far better spent in the border states, but fiscal irresponsibility doesn't seem to be your concern. Nor do citizen rights. PA, while unpredictable, doesn't tend to be a close and hard to call state. The closest we got to a nail biter is when Kerry got a slight edge over Bush in 2004 by 2.5%, and despite huge scrutiny of the vote, no voter fraud prosecution stuck. So you advocate disenfranchising 9% to catch a phantom 2% of illegals that have never yet been found despite millions spent hunting and unsuccessfully prosecuting. Where's the justice in that? Where's the sense?

There hasn't been a voter fraud case against individual ineligible voters won in PA in my lifetime. Lots of accusations, lots of wasted money investigating, but the only successful voter fraud prosecution in PA in the 21st century was party level voter suppression.

Go after the parties, not the people. Dems and Reps on the party level have both been caught out. Get rid of the PACs, get rid of the poll supervisors who are active in one candidate's campaign.

The anti-Republican backlash is very strong on my local paper, where 31,000 people were disenfranchised. Lehigh County has never deported an illegal alien. There's never been adequate proof one lives here, let alone has ever voted. Family and friends of that disenfranchised 9% may indeed vote anything but Republican.

I've always split my own ticket. This year it will be among Dems and Libertarians. I wouldn't vote Republican if they bought my vote for millions since I believe in civil rights.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 3:17:00 AM PDT
PF says:
Why am I a whack job, when the site you claim is biased has this as their mission statement?

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The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a national, nonprofit, public-interest, membership organization of concerned citizens who share a common belief that our nation's immigration policies must be reformed to serve the national interest.

FAIR seeks to improve border security, to stop illegal immigration, and to promote immigration levels consistent with the national interest-more traditional rates of about 300,000 a year.

With more than 250,000 members and supporters nationwide, FAIR is a non-partisan group whose membership runs the gamut from liberal to conservative.Our grassroots networks help concerned citizens use their voices to speak up for effective, sensible immigration policies that work for America's best interests.

FAIR's publications and research are used by academics and government officials in preparing new legislation.National and international media regularly turn to us to understand the latest immigration developments and to shed light on this complex subject.FAIR has been called to testify on immigration bills before Congress more than any organization in America.
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The mission of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is to examine immigration trends and effects, to educate the American people on the impacts of sustained high-volume immigration, and to discern, put forward, and advocate immigration policies that will best serve American environmental, societal, and economic interests today and into the future.
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Today the United States is receiving more immigrants than at any time in our history. Immigration has become an important issue because it affects virtually every aspect of life in America. With more than a million legal and illegal immigrants settling in the United States each year, immigration has an impact on education, health care, government budgets, employment, the environment, crime and countless other areas of American life. It is evident to most Americans that large-scale immigration is not serving the needs and interests of the country.
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FAIR advocates a temporary moratorium on all immigration except spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens and a limited number of refugees. A moratorium would allow us to hold a national debate and devise a comprehensive immigration reform strategy. A workable immigration policy is one that would allow us time to regain control of our borders and reduce overall levels of immigration to more traditional levels of about 300,000 a year. "

The bias on the site is anti-immigrant. They aim for higher than realistic numbers. Go read it, and consider deleting the cursing once you see your error, or I'll forget I'm for civil rights and report you for the verbal abuse.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 3:34:16 AM PDT
RE: .....deemed of zero credibility as they are admittedly biased.

So given that, when a person or institution is clearly very, very biased.....as biased as we see just about anywhere we look.......it should follow that their credibility is less than zero, right?

Talkin' about you, of course.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 5:36:03 AM PDT
PF,
The Guard or Reserves for that matter, were never deployed to Vietnam. Not a single man as far as I know. I think some Air Guard Cargo units did flights for their monthly drills, But no units were committed to Vietnam.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 5:42:17 AM PDT
PF says:
Sure the Guard was. Not in huge numbers, but I lost 2 relatives in Company D/151st and others of my friends and relatives who worked out of PA were sent to other states to provide them with adequate numbers. Now that I check the dates, Corbett's service starting in 1971 means he was in Harrisburg during the floods.

http://www.ngef.org/index.asp?bid=48

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 5:49:59 AM PDT
Brian McGregor says: "yes, without all those ineligible, illegals voting, odds are PA, and FLA and Ohio and all the other swing states will put President Romney over the top."

It's amazing that you people on the right can so openly cheer the outright theft of an election, the subversion of the democratic process, and corruption that could forever remove your own ability to elect the candidates that you want.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 6:00:08 AM PDT
PF says:
But EG, it makes perfect sense. I'm not smart enough to know how, but it must. FAIR, with its 250,000 members, incorporated in Delaware with offices in DC, invades the state of Vermont to encourage its citizens to fear the influence of those 5,000 people who may be unduly influencing voting patterns.

It must add up somewhere, right? Surely a PAC isn't capable of violating Vermont's state sovereignty to push unnecessarily restrictive voting requirements on the BMac, right, at a population 50 times greater than their declared rival, the illegals? Those 250,000 PAC members or supporters are certainly less influential than the mighty 5,000 that are lurking somewhere, not yet found, who are breaking voting laws willy-nilly.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 6:33:52 AM PDT
Dragonwolf says:
You're using FAIR as a source?
Their main funder is the Scaife Foundation, who heavily fund conservative and Islamophobic causes.

You might as well use Stormfront, they are both racist and both listed as hate groups.

If this is where you get your information, it's not surprising how misinformed you are on these matters.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 6:37:46 AM PDT
PF says:
I used FAIR to bait McGregor by using his own side's data against him. Painted the absolute worst case, totally inflated numbers of theirs to show that even hyperbole at their level is no threat to democracy.

He bit, accused me with profanity and personal attacks of using a source biased as pro-immigration. I was seeking to expose him, and he fell right into it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 6:42:56 AM PDT
Interesting how behind closed doors Republicans don't even pretend that voter ID is about 'voter fraud' (which is almost entirely mythical) and are honest that it is intended to reduce Democratic voters.

Posted on Jul 10, 2012 6:45:32 AM PDT
Mickey Ryan says:
So are the bleeding hearts basically admitting that their voting base are a bunch of deadbeats who can't afford a $10.00 I.D.? Not exactly painting the most flattering portrait of the Obama voting block are we? Lolz

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 6:51:22 AM PDT
Dragonwolf says:
Sorry, it's hard to tell who is who at times.

I just get sick of people using incredibly biased and bad sources.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 6:53:04 AM PDT
Dragonwolf says:
You do understand that poll taxes of any sort are unconstitutional?
It's why the 24th Amendment was passed.
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