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Initial post: Nov 2, 2012 6:19:32 PM PDT
DRM says:

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 8:51:07 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 2, 2012 8:52:43 PM PDT
DRM says:
I was Born and raised In New York until age 11, except for two years in Cupertino California from age 2 to age 4.

Western New York.

But I spent some weekends in NYC during later college years and for the next five years after college.

I do feel for their suffering. I've lived through hurricanes, being without power, and being cold in the dark when Snow Knocked Out Power.

Some have lost All of their Earthly Possessions and homes they've lived in for decades.

Some have lost family and loved ones.

I do think it's going to get worse before it gets better.

This is nothing I take any joy in, I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

I do feel bad for them and I wish the Media would show more of what's really happening there.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 2, 2012 10:41:41 PM PDT
What do you think 'is really happening there'?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 2, 2012 11:09:52 PM PDT

A lot of people are shell-shocked, or just in shock and disbelief. By the time they get to the long, long process of picking up the pieces of their lives the cameras will be gone and their plight may be forgotten. Like all disasters, even in this country, we get to out of sight, out of mind and we forget that for many it will be years before these communities back to normal; for many of the residents getting their lives back on track may take many more years.

The holiday season that we are coming upon are often depressing times for those that have experienced great losses --- there will be a lot of grieving to do, and a lot of people who will want to tell people to just "get over it"!! As long as someone doesn't get totally "stuck", grieving isn't a timed event and it must be gone through not around! Right now the denial stage is still very much in play!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 2, 2012 11:23:07 PM PDT
I'm not from New York, apparently DRM is. I'd like him to expound on what HE thinks is going on there.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 2, 2012 11:28:03 PM PDT

I understand, except I thought he said he was in Western New York?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 2, 2012 11:31:38 PM PDT
Even if he lives in Buffalo, he probably has a better 'feel' of actual events than we, who live thousands of miles away.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 2, 2012 11:40:07 PM PDT

My M-I-L didn't have much more info than we do. All she could say was how devastation it was;-) I'm actually about as close to NYC. And we are having to deal with very little major losses. Harrisburg had all the flooding about this time a year ago. Not as many homes but the houses were certainly flooded --- they did miss the storm either, but the river didn't come into the same neighborhoods this time.

I know that animal rescue teams have been sent from Harrisburg, PA. And the rescue groups from Northern Virginia are in New York and New Jersey even though their area was hit too. The Northern Virginia (Faifax) group travels all over the world with their special training. If they are asked to help, it is because they need the special skills that they have.

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 11:43:53 PM PDT
Here in New Orleans, the first couple of days were not that bad because you were still eating out of your Refrigerator and you had some water in the bathtub. Around Day 3 or Day 4 things became a little different. You started 'missing' things you were used to. At Day 5, most went into 'survival mode'. I can see that happening in NYC.

The difference is the 'density' factor.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:03:19 AM PDT

I've been in Slidell and Bay St Louis, but only the airport in New Orleans. As I'm sure you've seen the Staten Island reaction is very similar to what was happening around day 3 or day 4 in New Orleans. A lot of bathtubs leak, and won't hold water for a long time --- we found that out several years ago and so now have other water storage vessels, but a tub is much easier to "bail" water from!! We have the issue that if we lose power we lose water, so we were extra careful to be sure we had at least 3 days of water as we were not sure our generator would work, although never used.

Impatience is easy to fall into. Did you see the special, PBS I believe, "The Colony"? It was an experiment about what would happen in survival mode --- really interesting, and sad how aggressive one has to get. It was filmed near New Orleans I believe.

At any rate, NYC has some advantages in that Katrina had already happened and they did learn what not to do. But, although old, the city has more real shelters than New Orleans does. Like Katrina, residents who could evacuate said "it can't be that bad" and are shocked how accurate the forecasts were! New Orleans didn't get the direct hit of Katrina so they sort of had the same thing happen as what happened with this very wide storm. We are about 4 hours from New Jersey, and got 60+mph winds, 50+ sustained and we are in a valley between some fairly tall mountains for the area!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:05:52 AM PDT

These areas are used to bad snow storms and blizzards --- they lose power, can't get the garbage picked up, and can't get their street plowed. But they can usually get to work, and their property isn't damaged. Wind and water, is truly hard to fathom!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:06:17 AM PDT
For the first 10 days, here on the Northshore, things were deserted and the 'electric crews' and 'clean up crews' could easily do their jobs. When the OK signal was given to return, it seemed like thousands of people appeared from nowhere. There were hundreds of cars in line for gas. They would sit there, with there windows up, the AC on, reading a newspaper, burning gas all the time. At the Hardware Stores, people would stand in long lines, to buy one screw driver, or a handful of screws.

I'm thinking the same thing is going on there,.....times 10.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:15:33 AM PDT

Both storms had the problem that access to the area is hindered by roads being impassable.

There is a reason for the shelter in place rule of 3 days. It usually takes even that long for the National Guard to show up even if they are on call!!! Both areas had warning, but it is still human nature to want to stay behind and keep people from looting what little you may have left.

Several people have said they need to just evacuate Staten Island so the crews aren't tripping over people. If it was you would you go, if you house was still "inhabitable"? That's not an easy call. People need time to be sure they have what they can salvage.

BTW, I had a ex-colleague, move to New Orleans, before Katrina. He was looking forward to the Hurricane party when he started to get water in his house from the breach or over topping I don't remember. He had a sister back in the Northern Virginia area and so he got on an airplane, after a couple of days, and headed north. We gave him a couple of shirts and a sweater as he didn't really have much with him!!! What a mess indeed!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:25:16 AM PDT
Reed. " Wind and water, is truly hard to fathom!!! "
One guy told the story of him and his brother riding out the storm in the Lower 9th Ward (they divide the City into 'Wards'). The water started to rise in their House. And they put things on blocks. then it started getting higher. Finally they had to crawl into the Attic. The water came into the Attic, so they chopped their way thru the roof with a hatchet (ever since Hurricane Betsy, 40 years ago, everybody knows to take a hatchet with them if they go into the Attic). They sat on the roof for awhile, then the House started floating down the street. It finally came to rest, wedged between two other houses, down the block.

They were the ones waving at the camera crews from their roof top.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:28:52 AM PDT
See......they found themselves a 'boat'.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:30:00 AM PDT

I was on a bus going from Florida to Texas during hurricane Betsy! We got into New Orleans around 1am after Betsy hit, as I recall. What a mess. Blinds everywhere, no light at all and already stories of "critters" in driveways. While held up near Biloxi, because of flooding I had a black snake almost go across my foot going up a path to the Red Cross feeding center.

You did hear there were several that learned at least some of the attic thing, from Katrina? What they should have learned was to "leave"!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:31:20 AM PDT
K. A. Lien says:
See......they found themselves a 'boat'.
Yeah,....heading out to the Gulf of Mexico.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:32:39 AM PDT
Hey.....many times transportation out of town is difficult to obtain!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:32:48 AM PDT

Certainly not swamp worthy, much less "sea" worthy!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 12:45:07 AM PDT
Reed. "What they should have learned was to "leave"!!!"
There's so many storms here,...people get used to it and, also, get tired of packing up and going. Some look at it like a 'vacation', gathering up the kids, heading out to some Hotel with a swimming pool. Some can't afford to leave and don't want to get stranded on the Road during a Hurricane (Like the womwn on Staten Island that lost two kids). Others think it's an excuse for a Party. It really depends where you are. I'm 15 feet above sea level and not near the Lake, so it was easy for me to stay. There was one bar in the French Quarter that stayed open, even though they had 9 inches of water in the place.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 1:00:33 AM PDT

And that is what Staten Island thought. They had a mandatory evacuation that was early enough to heed. New Orleans was late, and not feasible for more than a few reasons.

I understand the parties, and the "crying wolf" appearance of "look out here comes another one". I definitely understand the financial reasons to stay. But the woman you cited decided to leave after she saw for herself that she should have gone. What happened was tragic, and was done out of ignorance of the power of water and wind. (I used to do white water canoeing and we always made sure people tried to walk in knee deep water in a "safe" rapid -- just to understand the power of very little water. What I have problems with the woman and the two boys is that unless her car was underwater, or likely to be underwater, she was far safer inside that car than hanging onto a tree that she did! Hanging onto a tree and two children was certainly exhausting, what happened after that isn't clear --- she will truly have a long road ahead, whatever happened, to heal from what she has to be blaming herself for. The shoulda, coulda, woulda scenario cannot be far from her mind!

I have relatives that left lower Texas because of a storm only to be evacuated to where it actually it: they went to relatives instead of inland!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 1:09:55 AM PDT
I can't comment on the woman. I'm sure she thought she was doing the best thing for her and her family.

You always hear about the guy that came back from the War in one piece,....only to get hit by a car.

You never know when it's your turn,....probably better that way.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 8:04:58 AM PDT

What you say is a fiction, because we all know you weren't born, but originated from a failed Lab experiment ! you know how the 47% feel, on a daily basis -- "good on ya, Mate" ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 1:14:44 PM PDT

I'm sure she was doing the best she knew how. Even if she is a susan smith, she is trying to survive the only way she knows how. I've know of people whose driving mistake killed their spouse in the ensuing traffic accident --- I can't imagine all the coulda shoulda woulda's that would result! I hope she, like others, get the extra support they need to deal with all the losses. I think focusing only on the two children and ignoring the others that died trying to save their families is at best unfair!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2012 3:42:55 PM PDT
Oh yeah, I agree. I'm sure there are all kinds of 'freak' accidents that occur.

"Oh look, Honey,...I found out why the cable is out...ZZZZZZT!!!
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