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Initial post: May 29, 2012 9:54:28 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 9:55:18 PM PDT
Someone on the music forum started a thread on the greatest live prog albums, and it kind of morphed into a discussion of concert videos as well. A live album thread would be cool, but I thought it would be even better to discuss our favorite prog concert videos. Official releases and bootleg videos are both welcome!! Youtube has been the source for a lot of incredible discoveries these past few years. Here's my top five favorite concert videos that come to mind, along with my reasons why, plus some runners up. The only criteria, I think, should be that the concert should be at least an hour long.

1. Genesis, Shepperton Studios Oxford, Oct 1973: to me, this concert is the absolute epitome of everything that makes prog what it is, on every level. Pure magic from start to finish, there's a real otherworldly vibe here. My only complaint: it only presents one hour of the nearly two hour show--I can only wonder if the performances of "Firth Of Fifth", "More Fool Me", "Epping Forest", "Cinema Show" and "The Knife" are lying in a vault somewhere...

2. Magma, Hippodrome Paris May '77: for sheer intensity, this cannot be beat by anyone possibly EVER in music history! The playing is quite simply inhuman, and this was the group at its absolute peak. Once again though, this presents only about one hour of what was likely at least a two-hour show.

3. Emerson, Lake And Palmer, Lyceum Dec 1970 (aka "Pictures At An Exhibition"): a sentimental favorite, I have always loved this concert despite the visual effects that many complain about. I actually like the effects, but more than that, I think the performance is just killer. This was the best period of the group IMO; the Belgian TV appearance from a month or so later is very similar and has less extraneous visuals, but I choose the Lyceum show because it contains the entire concert. (beware of DVD releases that only contain the performance of "Pictures", however.)

4. Yes, QPR, 1975: although the sound mix during the first half of this concert is infamous, with Anderson's rhythm guitar drowning out Howe's lead, it is a well-directed show of an absolutely monster epic performance. Moraz was a more than adequate replacement for Wakeman, and the setlist covers practically everything you'd want to hear including all of "Close To The Edge" and "Relayer". The acoustic melody of songs is lovely--plus, you get the whole show. If the sound mix here were a bit better I'd probably rank this at #3, actually, above ELP. I also prefer it to "Yessongs".

5. Pink Floyd, Live At Pompeii, Pompeii/Paris Oct 1971: there's only an hour of live footage here, but this really is a legendary concert film showing the group at their tightest just as they hit their mature stride with "Meddle". The setting is spectacular.

There are superb concert clips of King Crimson during their peak 73/74 period but nothing which I've found which lasts at least an hour, I'm afraid. "Deja Vrooom" from the Thrak tour is quite good, however. Camel Hammersmith Odeon '76, The Soft Machine on Pop2 1970, and Porcupine Tree's two DVD sets are all worthwhile.

Posted on May 30, 2012 12:13:56 PM PDT
Yodathedog says:
Michael, is QPR really that good? I remember back in the day trying my hardest to watch that and I just couldn't get past the horrible sound. Pity since it's the only video of Moraz with the band that I know of. I actually thought it was a bad bootleg. If you say it's that good I might have to give it another chance. I would really like to hear Gates Of Delirium played by the proper keyboardist.

Posted on May 30, 2012 12:46:25 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 30, 2012 12:46:46 PM PDT
Michael,,how strange,i was just thinking of this a few days ago.Although most of mine are newer videos and dvds but good idea....ps.i too would love to see a good quality video of Yes with Moraz.I saw the Relayer tour in Houston and Moraz was dazzling.

Posted on May 30, 2012 12:50:34 PM PDT
Ok,,for now here's my first one....Genesis 1976 w/Bruford.Fantastic concert with maybe the best perfomances of Suppers Ready,Cinema Show and Los Endos ever.Wish they didnt have the film playing during Cinema Show however cause it takes away from seeing more of Phil and Bill's duets.

Posted on May 30, 2012 3:07:48 PM PDT
Yodathedog says:
I'm not real big on concert videos any more than I'm not big on live cds, but if anyone here gets the chance to see Steve Hackett's new dvd Fire & Ice, DO NOT miss it. Also Transatlantic's video of the Whirlwind tour is also incredible. Which one? Take your pick I guess.

Posted on May 30, 2012 3:10:59 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 30, 2012 3:12:49 PM PDT
@Yodathedog: I don't mind the sound on QPR as much as others seem to, although the youtube clips I've seen of it seem to have a slightly crisper sound than my original boot of it from the 90s did. The mix improves about one hour into the show, before that Anderson's rhythm guitar is WAY too loud and you can barely hear Howe, the keyboards are inaudible in parts but then will suddenly drown out everything, etc. Bizarre. But after about an hour, the sound engineer seems to have gotten a clue. The second half of the concert still isn't perfect--the sound is still somewhat muddy--but it's listenable IMO. I'd say give it another try but skip the beginning numbers "Sound Chaser", "Close To The Edge", "To Be Over" and "Gates Of Delirium" (the sound starts to improve during "Gates Of Delirium" but is still wanting) and start it from the acoustic medley portion.

@Russell Sullins: the '76 "Genesis In Concert" show is superb but I believe it's only 45 minutes long. Another stupid move--why didn't they just release the whole concert?!! I think the reason the Oxford '73 show is only an hour was because it was for an Italian TV broadcast; there was no excuse in '76 as they made that film for release to theaters. It makes more sense for it to have been a feature-length presentation rather than shorten it like they did.

Posted on May 30, 2012 4:52:33 PM PDT
I would have LOVED for them to have made a film of that entire show..it was incredible and my all time fav concert i've seen.Stunning and almost brings me to joyous tears every time i watch it.

Posted on May 30, 2012 4:57:18 PM PDT
Yodathedog says:
Michael, if those songs are in the problem area of QPR, I think I'll pass on it since the Relayer music is what I was looking for and I think I have every version of CTTE that I'll ever need. Anyone know of/have a decent live recording of Moraz in concert with Yes playing Relayer?

Posted on May 30, 2012 4:57:52 PM PDT
Here's a few more excellent ones:
Peter Gabriel's Secret World Live
Dream Theater's Live Scenes From New York
DT's Score 25th Anniversary at Radio City Music Hall
Transatlantic's Live In Europe
Transatlantic's Whirld Tour and More Is Never Enough(last show of the Whirld Tour)
Satellite's Evening Dreams
Porcupine Tree Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize
Marillion's Marbles on The Road
Marillion Live in London
to name a few for now

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 7:39:21 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 30, 2012 7:41:12 PM PDT
@yodathedog: no, no, no, don't give up on it just yet!! The whole concert is them at their peak, no other pro-shot versions of these songs come close IMO. The acoustic portion of the show is divine, with an acoustic medley of Your Move/Mood For A Day/Long Distance Runaround/Moraz piano solo and Clap. Anderson is in amazing vocal form, even for him. Then the electric portion returns with "And You And I" (better than the Yessongs version IMO), "Ritual" (the only pro-shot footage of "Tales" material from the 70s, I think), "Roundabout", "Sweet Dreams" (rare!) and "Yours Is No Disgrace". Like I said it's really quite an epic show, there's a reason I chose it to represent Yes on my list in spite of the sound quality.

There is no other pro-shot footage of Moraz doing "Relayer" material as far as I know. This was the only pro-shot footage, period, from the Moraz era I believe.

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 11:34:10 PM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
Yoda,
That's my impression of QPR, as well. I was so bummed about that, because my expectations were so high; to have a well-mixed live Yes show with Moraz from '75 would have been fantastic.

Given that, I have to ask: Is there a good soundboard audio mix from that same show? Because it may be possible to sync up that good audio with the video, and VIOLA! Then we'll have it!

If someone can provide the audio, the video is actually on YouTube; I'd be happy to give it a try -- this is exactly the kind of thing that I've been doing for the past 4 months or so!

Hmm, I'll look around myself -- good audio clips are often posted on YouTube as well.

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 11:42:35 PM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
Michael,
I've got to ask again: Do you know if there is a good soundboard audio mix from this show, somewhere? If there is, it shouldn't be too difficult to sync up THAT track with the video -- which I would be happy to do, once I have both of those tracks (my sister and brother-in-law have my copy of QPR, I can get that back and pursue the project) ...

I just need the audio ...

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 12:02:32 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 31, 2012 12:18:11 AM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
Michael, Russell --
That '76 show IS a great show, albeit too short (and with that stupid footage of that large ball/globe thing rolling all over the place -- what the heck was THAT about??!)

I couldn't agree with you two more; it should have been the entire concert (without, of course, that other dumb footage). It'd be nice to know if that footage might still be available, and if they (them, over there, in the Genesis camp) might be wise enough to produce a nice "Archive" release for those Genesis fans who'd like to see it (and WHAT Genesis fans wouldn't, I ask??!)

What I think is bizarre is that when they released that "Genesis: In Concert" footage in the 1976-82 box set, I believe they cut a small piece of it out. Remember during "I Know What I Like", during the instrumental part, when there was a shot of Collins holding the tamborine like a steering wheel, and he was acting silly like he was driving around on the stage? I believe that little bit was cut out. Why? Who knows ... maybe Collins thought it was too silly. Or maybe Tony thought it was too silly! Who the hell knows?! These guys have made some incredibly stupid editorial decisions with their material, such as fading "It's Yourself" early on every archive release. And not including "Match Of The Day" and the full version of "Submarine" on the 2nd Archive box set (they made good, though, when they included both in their respective box sets). And with all the recordings they've got in their vaults, it's hard to believe they decided to pick an early, mostly-instrumental version of "Mama" to include as their "previously-unreleased" track. I'd also like to know if they have a copy of the video for "Match Of The Day" somewhere; I suspect not, but even if they did, apparently Collins thought it "innappropriate" to include in their box set.

I'll admit that they've rectified some recent blunders with their most recent box sets -- but it still boggles my mind what these guys were thinking, when they decided what NOT to release on those Archive boxes.

Posted on May 31, 2012 12:39:25 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 31, 2012 12:43:47 AM PDT
OK so I just re-watched the entire QPR show as a result of the discussion here. It's pretty much as I remembered; as mentioned, the first three songs "Sound Chaser", "Close To The Edge" and "To Be Over" are pretty poor--"Sound Chaser" is virtually irredeemable, "Close To The Edge" is OK but the vocals are way down, then "To Be Over" overcompensates by putting Anderson's vocal and rhythm guitar far, far too loud. The biggest complaint is that Howe's guitar is virtually inaudible during all three, save for his opening solo in CTTE.

The good news is, the mix improves earlier in the following "Gates Of Delirium" than I thought...it's pretty good right from the beginning, except that Howe's guitar is again just too d**ned low, until at about the five minute mark just after the line "on to hell", someone finally remembers to turn him up and then suddenly, dramatically, all is right with the world. This is 52 minutes into the show!! The rest of the song, and the show, coasts beautifully from there with a relatively balanced mix, although there are still a few problems lingering. Overall the sound is never stellar but I'd say it's certainly listenable from "Gates" on, which means that we have at least one song from the "Relayer" album with fair enough sound on it.

@JerseyJoker: I would imagine there exists a good soundboard of the show out there somewhere, though I'm not sure. Or a similar show from the tour that could be reasonably synched. It's a good idea. I'm just not a Yes boot expert! Search the web maybe, I'm sure there's shows out there...

The Genesis Archives boxes (especially vol.2) were missing a few things, but as you say they did seem to make up for it on the comprehensive album boxes that came later. It seemed like the group really dug to find every scrap of available pro-shot footage to include in those sets; I think if they had found the lost footage from, say, Bataclan, Oxford or the '76 "In Concert" show, they would have included it. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's not out there...it could just be really unlocatable for the moment. For example, it's a shame that the excellent-quality 16mm footage of the Bern "Lamb" show only came to light just after the 70-75 box release, as it would have been perfect to include in the "Lamb" slide show that accompanied that album.

Posted on May 31, 2012 1:00:01 AM PDT
Yodathedog says:
And the quest is on.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 1:10:47 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 31, 2012 1:20:43 AM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
Michael,
I'll tell ya what? If someone can locate a good SB-quality recording of the QPR show, I'd be more than happy to work to sync that up with the video. But after doing this for the past four months or so, I'll be honest -- I wouldn't even TRY to sync up sound from another show to the QPR footage! That would be the ultimate frustration -- at least, with the simple, relatively low-grade software that I'm using.

Now, how about that 16mm Lamb footage? Where is that available to see?? There is some Lamb footage from Bern 1975 posted on YouTube, and it's not bad (not GREAT, but not bad!), but that was originally posted on Jan 5 2008, over 4 years ago by Tommygun. Must be a better print ...??

[EDIT: Oh, crap! Wow ... I just found some really fascinating and VERY cool footage of the Slipperman costume, right there on YouTube. Holy cow, VERY good, and really pretty damn clear! OMG -- THIS must be what you're talking about. But there's only 3.22 worth of it posted -- is there more? A whole show?

It would be "THE HOLY GRAIL" for any Genesis fan if a full show exists. I think my head would explode watching that. (End of EDIT)]

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 1:20:01 AM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
Yes, it is.

I'd be honored if I could deliver the goods, and you'd be 1st one to know (the Yes fanatic that you are...)

Posted on May 31, 2012 1:46:57 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 31, 2012 1:59:27 AM PDT
@JerseyJoker: well, I was thinking that it's really only the first three songs that are in most desparate need of synching, and those are happily the least improvisational so it might be possible to synch from another show. I've seen some youtubers do wonders (there's a a synch of the Beatles playing "Some Other Guy" at the Cavern, with the BBC performance from a few months later and I could barely tell it wasn't the original audio!), although as you say if you are working with limited equipment it might be difficult. I'll look and see if there's a good-sounding QPR soundboard out there--I don't think the sound problems in the video stemmed from the original soundboard mix, but rather whoever mixed it for its broadcast on BBC television.

I do not think you are talking about the same "Lamb" footage I am, if you are referring to Tommygun's footage from 2008. The Bern footage is audience shot, but didn't surface until 2010, I believe. Here's a link to all 27 minutes of the found footage, remastered, color-corrected and de-shaked (as much as possible) by another enterprising youtuber:

http://youtu.be/HQnxgIJmZV8

This is the closest anyone has ever come so far to the "holy grail" so longed for by Genesis fans. As I mentioned earlier, it would have been cool if this footage had been found just a few years earlier and Genesis had been able to use some of the best parts to incorporate with the other 16mm footage they used to accompany the "Lamb" slide show presentation they created for the 70-75 box set (btw the entire slide show presentation from the box set has also been helpfully uploaded on youtube...just go to oquatanginwann's channel).

Posted on May 31, 2012 11:26:50 AM PDT
When i saw the Genesis 76 tour and Phil did the tambourine dance and the steering wheel thing(which i thought was very silly at the time,but Phil was a humourous guy having fun).Awhile back while piddling on youtube,which surprisingly i dont do alot,i saw the 76 footage in HD and looked alot better than the file i have on my comp..Would love to have a file or dvd of that footage.Its the same just video quality seemed much better.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 3:57:54 AM PDT
H. Blackburn says:
That little section with the steering wheel tambourine is still there in the version I have...

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 12:45:29 AM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
Dang, Michael, how'd I not see your post until tonight?

Thanks for the link! And you're right, the bit of footage that I saw was only the Slipperman bit (I THINK it's the same bit of footage), but, of course, that above link provides much more. That's much closer to a complete show, but certainly frustratingly far from it.

As for the Yes QPR stuff, I figure if I can get my hands on a full SB audio track, I would just go ahead and sync it all up! But I wouldn't want to deal with trying to sync up another performance with the video; I think I'd want to shoot myself, trying to make it perfect; and besides, I've so many damn projects I find myself wanting to take on -- best to keep it as simple (and as genuine) as possible.

PLEASE let me know if you find SB of that show -- I'll run with it if I get it, thanks!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 12:47:21 AM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
H.B.,

I'll have to watch it again - maybe somehow I just missed it, and thought it was omitted from the box set release (it's possible, I can be easily distracted!)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 3:15:11 AM PDT
@Jersey Joker: he he, I was wondering if you missed my last post. Glad you saw the link I provided--and yes, it's still far from a full "Lamb" show, but so far it's the most we've got, and what surprised a lot of people about it besides the quantity of what was there, was that you could actually see some of the slide show behind the band, which you couldn't see in any other 8/16mm footage. What is there is so gripping, though, that it still makes you long to see the rest.

As for Yes QPR, I did a little more youtube searching and lo and behold, it looks like Tommygun found a copy of a rare Japanese laserdisc version with *excellent* sound quality which is probably dubbed from a soundboard. In fact, the sound quality is *so* good, that it transforms a poor-sounding audio show into one of the *best* sounding Yes concerts recorded in the 70s! The only thing is, he's only posting excerpts from the concert to promote the sale of his DVD copy. But here's a link to the longest excerpt I found, the first 16 mins of "Gates Of Delirium":

http://youtu.be/fQ-ktGaWYlg

Howe's guitar is still a little down in the mix during the first six minutes or so but overall this is WAY better sound, and even better picture quality, than any other version I've seen. It's a total joy to watch, the performance is just killer, and only confirms this is my favorite Yes concert video Here's another excerpt he provided, for "Firebird Suite/Sound Chaser":

http://youtu.be/SNNPcqKfi_Y

"Sound Chaser" was nearly unlistenable before...this is a revelation.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 11:50:33 PM PDT
H. Blackburn says:
I'd like to add PGs Growing Up DVD which is great but which is raised to sublime with the version of Signal to Noise...

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 11:55:33 PM PDT
H. Blackburn says:
When the Genesis in Concert film was released it was often if not always shown in tandem with Rick Wakeman's scored winter olympic film White Rock at cinemas. Could this have been a reason for the concert footage being edited? Were the film sequences used during Entangled/Cinema Show/Apocalypse actually used at the concerts? If so I can understand why they are in the film but if not, why images of rolling waves when we could hav been watching the band at work?
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