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Initial post: Jan 10, 2011 4:50:58 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2011 5:34:33 AM PST
Lisareads says:
Over population, division of labor, distractions of focus, destruction of the family and community, growth of consumerism and the economy, loss of the humanities and a human way of life. Lack of resources and time to participate in modern life is a natural death and will result in a natural culling of extra humans, it will happen in many odd ways.

Posted on Jan 10, 2011 10:06:26 AM PST
K. Mays says:
I don't think you're going to find answers on an Amazon forum. I congratulate you on your inquiry, but if this doesn't turn into a debate about Christianity and how God planned all of this in two pages, I'll be amazed.

Posted on Jan 10, 2011 12:43:56 PM PST
Lisareads -

Thanks for your response. You have lots of negatives. Any solutions?

K. Mays -

Actually, the posters in this forum, with a few exceptions, are very psychology-oriented. But I understand what you are saying. The Creos and Evos are at it 24/7 in the "Science" Forum.

Do you have any comments to make on the OP?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2011 5:22:03 PM PST
Lisareads says:
"Any solutions?"
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The main reason for suffering is people making babies that they have no ability to provide a good life for. We must stop marketing growth and a better life and be realistic and demand people carry the burden of their children them selves. Nothing teaches lessons better the the consequences of your actions.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2011 3:30:57 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
I've got comments on the OP, me, me, ME! :D

"I am disturbed"

Isn't it freeing to finally admit it?

"I'm trying to get a handle on what tips people into the bizarre dark world of paranoia, from beliefs in overlappying conspiracies."

Says the lady who has "speculated" that squid evolved on the Moon, that malevolent aliens currently have underground bases scattered around the planet, and that we humans are the result of breeding experiments by ancient aliens, all over in the Aliens forum. When did you first go over the deep end, Marilyn? What "tipped" you? LOL.

"The Creos and Evos are at it 24/7 in the 'Science' Forum."

Actually it's more about the AGW deniers these days. You'd know that if you didn't post Science topics in Science Fiction, Education topics in Psychology, etc.

(Are you still ignoring me? :D )

Posted on Jan 11, 2011 10:25:57 AM PST
Lisareads -

Thanks for your thoughtful answer. And I agree. But "reproduction rights" are a thorny issue. We'd have better luck trying a program like they had in India a few years back. A traveling vasectomy clinic, paying men to undergo vasectomies.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2011 11:50:29 AM PST
Lisareads says:
"But "reproduction rights" are a thorny issue. "
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Being politically correct so you get elected is not solving our problems. Some one is going to have to approach thorny issues and be realistic instead of a pie in the sky dreamer and say everything is is going to work out. Being a realist I know we have passed the peak and the only direction is down hill and unless we address the unpleasant thorny issues the suffering will be a lot worse. We can start by not supporting child birth and child benefits such as tax breaks and free education and food. We can no afford to provide birth control. What we can do is not provide things.

Posted on Jan 11, 2011 1:09:29 PM PST
Lisareads -

Thanks for your thoughtful response. But I still think "reproduction rights" is a thorny issue, and very complicated. It is also bound up in cultural and socio-economic issues:

--- The hispanic culture is catholic, and they prefer big families, since they usually have an extended-family to help with child raising and expenses.

--- 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock. The African-American culture in the 1970s glorified the "love child", as if a baby born out of wedlock was mostly just a tangible "proof of love".

--- The Chinese have had a one-child-only policy for decades. But the upshot is that the country has a serious imbalance, with more males to females - and female infanticide is suspected. There was also a recent article that the Chinese divorce rate among young couples reflects these "very spoiled" only-children, who all want a spouse to cater to them, and haven't learned to truly care-and-share with a spouse.

For the U.S., I suspect the answer will have to be culturally sensitive, but still be a hard-nosed reality. If you are living in poverty on government sustenance, you won't be paid for having anymore than two kids. So if you want to be irresponsible and have six kids, you will only be drawing gov. subsidies for two kids. This is "fair warning", and should help stem the tide of too many one-parent homes with too many kids.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2011 7:37:43 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
And the rednecked whites? What's the cultural angle for you, I mean, them, Marilyn?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 12, 2011 2:36:35 PM PST
paul best says:
I love Lisa's perspective,,although , it will not be unusual if down the road we have a confrontation.
If you read a brief history of man, since Adam and Eve, ,,all the way through today's Arizona tragedy,,(yeah I know thats like 10K yrs!),,you will see so many unanswered questions which humanity has not tackled yet...all pschological issues get pushed aside in favor of PROGRSS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
Mankind has always had these serial/anarchy murderers, this is not something new.
But now with the invention of pistols, AK47's , these *breakouts* are more effective in destruction.
One time , pre katrina, I tried to collect on a overdue lawn care bill from this single man, age about 40,,we argued some, then he said, *wait here*,,,I ran to my truck parked in the street and took off, near accident,,,stopped a block away and told him he needs to payup,,as he branisheda gun.
Call the police?
No way, this guy was nuts, a dangerous mind.
There are many latent psychosis cases out in society. This latest outbreak will not be the last, refer to Lisa's comment on that point.
Which is why i study Jung, thereby knowing my psyche better, I can help others that life brings my way.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 12, 2011 4:32:15 PM PST
Lisareads says:
"Which is why i study Jung,"
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No one man or God runs the show or even has a grasp on life. It is all hero worship of one kind or another. If we stop trying to emulate others and forge our own path using our own attributes perhaps the world will improve. Many people do not have spiritual feelings and some that do have put them on the same level as dreaming or a mind fart like deja'vu. I doubt psychology will ever achieve the depth that philosophy has, and most likely will only be a tool, used to control people, in things like marketing and propaganda, using operant conditioning and mind control.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 12, 2011 4:47:24 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 12, 2011 4:48:09 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
"If you read a brief history of man, since Adam and Eve, ,,all the way through today's Arizona tragedy,,(yeah I know thats like 10K yrs!)"

Sorry, but you seem to be missing about 190,000 years... ??? (And that's just for Homo sapiens.)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 12, 2011 5:03:08 PM PST
paul best says:
You see, I knew you and i would have a conflict in views.
Mankind is nothing but conflicts past 10,000 yrs,,i have no intentions whatsoever arguing with anyone on this planet.
I've counted them, 18,956 wars on planet earth past 10,000 yrs.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 12, 2011 5:08:41 PM PST
paul best says:
Well, I speak for myself only, and do not fall in with anthropology's assessment,,even Jung, at least early on, accepted mankind's *ancient relatives.
My history of mankind starts with Adam and Eve, refer to the bible for the lineage.
I also believe there are 2 kinds of men. Those of God, and those who are not, ie of men.
= God-men
and
Man-men
U C only through a discussion can i gather new thoughts that would remain locked up.
I can't take any of my ideas, thoughts to any Jungian, christian forum, I am a cast off, a philistine in both camps.
Here, one can say what one wants, respectfully, and never get banned from a forum.

Posted on Jan 12, 2011 7:44:03 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
Kudos, Marilyn! You're like a beacon to them, shinning through the darkest night. LOL.

Posted on Mar 24, 2011 12:07:28 PM PDT
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NOVEL PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS AIMED AT GUT BACTERIA (Researchers are aiming new drugs at the brain-bacteria "cross-talk" which may play an important role in development of psychiatric disorders, intestinal disorders, and possibly even obesity.)

Posted on Apr 24, 2011 9:00:52 AM PDT
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2014816252_emotions21.html

HOW TO GIVE PROPER VOICE TO YOUR EMOTIONS There seems to be bullies, ridiculers, taunters, vicious gossips/liars and mis-directed accusers everywhere today. If you "pick your battles", you can dismiss and ignore most. But if there's someone unavoidable in your family or workplace, it's better to sit down for a calm discussion to air your issues, before things escalate.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2011 5:55:25 AM PDT
Far Lefkas says:
However, not every place allows for a lunch hour away w/ co-workers to discuss issues.

Moreover, mgt. would prefer to settle issues, even if badly. These days, I'm able to tolerate any of the perfectionists or controllers by presuming that those attitudes did not begin in the work place & that they are not directed @me or somebody else personally. & If the perfectionists & controllers talk long enough, you're bound to discover their weighty issue originate elsewhere.

Posted on Apr 25, 2011 8:42:10 AM PDT
Far Lefkas -

Bully-bosses and taunting-co-workers are way beyond "perfectionists and controllers". They are malicious and vicious. And if you let everything slid, they see that as weakness and will attack all the harder.

The key is to sit down with this malicious/vicious person to air your grievances before things escalate. Better Exit Interviews with fired individuals would also help. Just firing someone for their "bad attitude" could result in that "bad attitude" coming back with a .45 to shoot up the place.

Screening employees better to begin with would also help. The U.S. Postal System had to do this in the last century. So many fired employees were coming back to shoot up their former places of work, that the term "going postal" meant a fired employee coming back with a gun and murder on their mind.

The absolutely worst jobs I've ever had to endure did absolutely no pre-screening, just taking any warm body off the street. I even suggested to one lame GM to hold a Job Faire for a day or so, and then sort thru resumes to pick the best people. But I was told that Job Faire's just "weren't company policy".

Many employers now post new jobs with the caveat that if you are unemployed for any reason - don't apply. So there are a LOT of unhappy people out there slogging thru bad jobs. I wrote an article for Helium about "The Difference Between Bad and Toxic Jobs", and it was always in my top ten articles for getting the most hits/visits.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2011 5:26:49 PM PDT
Ronald Craig says:
"Better Exit Interviews with fired individuals would also help. Just firing someone for their 'bad attitude' could result in that 'bad attitude' coming back with a .45 to shoot up the place."

Is that something you considered?

Oh, right, you weren't fired, you walked out, right?

"I wrote an article for Helium about 'The Difference Between Bad and Toxic Jobs', and it was always in my top ten articles for getting the most hits/visits."

Nice plug! Why didn't you post a URL? (Too long to type out?) Oh look:

http://www.helium.com/items/2014464-toxic-jobs-bad-or-toxic-jobs-jobs-that-are-bad-or-toxic

"The bottom line, is that many General Managers today actively avoid dealing with the gossips and troublemakers, and even bad managers under them. They are basically lazy, and live by the mantra that 'anybody with a pulse who wants to work is OK'."

It's all the GMs fault. This was based on extensive research on your part, or some published source? Yes?

No... I don't see any references. How many of the "toxic job" horror stories are based on personal experience?

"Do you see clique members actively keeping nicer, non-clique employees away from you, even when all you want is a friendly conversation? Do you suddenly see these nicer, non-clique employees avoiding you with stricken faces, indicating that they've been poisoned by lies from one clique or another? Does a budding friendship with a nicer, non-clique employee suddenly get torpedoed when that employee gets shifted to work nights - or leaves the business for a mysteriously-timed 'dream job'?"

Whoa... paranoid much?

Posted on Apr 30, 2011 12:24:59 PM PDT
No, not paranoia. Just a slice of Reality in today's job market.

But thanks so much, RC, for displaying all the targeted and arrogant viciousness Bullies With Personality Disorders are known for.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2011 2:50:56 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 30, 2011 2:52:47 PM PDT
Far Lefkas says:
Personally, I don't take much stock in the whole toxic jobs biz: companies these days seem to take their cues not from how to market their products & services but from what consulting firms tell them how their businesses should be run.

Twenty-five years ago, WalMart was the ideal place to work, for locals in Bentonville, AR, & 'round the country in stores. Now it's known for locking the night crews in stores & sex & gender biases.

When a relative of mine went to work for WalMart HQ in the early 80s, there were 2 mgrs. for every 100 employees; when he left almost 20 yr later, there were 15 mgrs/100 employees. In between, the consultants roared thru & got paid top dollar for their recommendations, predicated on how to increase profit. Apparent to anyone w/ any cognitive capacity was that more money distributed to consultants & mgrs @the top just had to mean cutting corners @the min. wage level. & While the pop debate settles @union v. no union, WalMart still hustles for consultants & mgrs.

Posted on Apr 30, 2011 5:19:01 PM PDT
Far Lefkas -

Interesting analysis, since my toxic-job was for a big box store similar to WalMart. I remember one savvy customer complaining that the last CEO had promised to increase profits. The company bought it and him, and he proceeded to raise prices to increase profits. As the customer said, "Anyone could have done that!" That CEO was transferred to an international job, where "just raising prices" may have been a little trickier to pull off with the same aplomb.

So there is obviously a disconnect in picking qualified people up and down the line in some corporations, especially when they are focused on "expansion" and how many new stores they can open, than basic Personnel issues of hiring and retaining the best people.

The corporation I suffered thru that toxic job with, must have hired a new CEO every other year. While, on the store level, we had lame I'm-only-gonna-be-here-a-few-years GMs, who would never tackle the vicious and entrenched, openly trouble-making employees.

These scumbags had been there for decades, had the cushiest jobs or knew where to disappear to for a nap, and made it clear that they ran that store only the way THEY wanted it to be run. OR there'd be only accidents and sabotage, and the store would be torpedoed, forcing out newer employees and making the customers unhappy. So the lame GMs just smiled and went along.

The exception is Costco, which was hiring people at $10/hour years ago. The employees were well screened, were happy and felt privileged to work there. Every time I read about Costco beating out my former toxic corporation, I secretly say "YEAH!"

So you may be right about corporate headquarters of these big box stores being too wrapped up in seeming short-cuts like an endless parade of slick consultants. 'Cause no one is "minding the store" anymore, on the local levels!

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2011 10:01:52 AM PDT
Far Lefkas says:
A friend of ours worked for a local, DC version of Home Depot or Lowe's that went outta business after 75 or so years. The guy easily got a job in the same capacity with a Home Depot & remarked immediately on how poor the Home Depot automated inventory system was. Maybe it's improved, but I was flabbergasted that a nationwide company would stock inventory w/ less ability than a local one.

I worked for a year @a DC Sears store, mainly part-time evenings, in shipping & receiving. One of my jobs was to scan incoming inventory (receiving), but there was always @least one cart of unscanned goods that got hauled away to the sales floor by overzealous sales people, told by dept. mgrs. that "we need that now." Little or no communication among sales & shipping & receiving: you'da thought they were in competition, 'stead of working for the same store.

The furniture dept. there had one of the top salespeople, but he was steadfastly remiss in informing shipping that an item needed to be carried from the sales floor to the loading dock for pickup by the customer. The customer appeared requesting his Barcalounger or love seat & always raised havoc when it wasn't there for pickup. This meant chugging down or up to the sales floor, hunting down the sales guy, & asking him which item. By then, he was two customers deep in sales, couldn't remember what he'd sold, & so blamed shipping for failing to heed his called, which had never come.

It was very uncomfortable, since we really couldn't stand there & argue in front of the clientele about who failed. Needless to say, the irate customer left in disgust w/ his Barcalounger.

The store closed not long after I left there, already overseen by a store mgr. especially placed by Sears corporate to close failing stores: word was she'd done the same in Pittsburgh. Employees there for 20 & 25 years were utterly stunned that they were suddenly out of a job.

Many years ago, the old Montgomery Ward dept. stores went belly-up: blame of course went to the big-box stores for undercutting prices. This @the time when the respective CEOs of Ward & Sears were twin bros. Since then, I've always suspected that old retail companies throwing in the towel were corporate, planned events, rather than simple failure to compete with the big box chains. & Where's even the need for success when the CEO of an "energy" conglom gets a $17mil bonus while his company loses $1bil?
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