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Initial post: Sep 8, 2009 11:01:18 AM PDT
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An article in Rueters.com (Health Section) today, gives the results of a Finnish study on school bullies. ("Schoolyard Bullies, Victims Have Problems Later On")

It found that both bullies and victims had significantly higher mental problems when grown. The ones with the most problems were both bullies and victims.

I read an article months ago about how one U.S. school dealt with bullies. The Principal had every student complete an anonymous survey on who the school bullies were.

When the same dozen or so names kept popping up, he pulled them into his office one at a time. Most had problems at home, and the Principal arranged for all to get some form of counseling.

Months later, the students were much happier, and there was significantly less conflict and fighting in the school.

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Posted on Sep 14, 2009 8:32:37 AM PDT
Thanks for clarifying, Million. I've never done any drugs, except for a few puffs of maryjane decades ago. I was in Los Angeles when powder cocaine was catching on. People were serving it out of fishbowls at parties, and assuring everyone that it was absolutely non-addictive. (Big Lie!) And that it would "enhance your personality". (Hence Bill Cosby's great come-back, "But what if you're an a*****e?")

Debatable when cocaine powder turned into crack. Richard Pryor burning himself up free-basing might have helped the transition. But there are books that claim the CIA was the first to create crack and distribute in on the West Coast, the profits going to Reagan's Contra War. Who knows ...

Posted on Oct 5, 2009 10:21:06 AM PDT
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To anyone still following this thread, reuters.com has an article today (10/5/09) about grown-up bullies in the workplace. In their Lifestyle section is an article titled: "U.S. Worker-On-Worker Violence Under-reported: Experts"

Some insist that workplace violence has dropped, and that most of the stats refer to robberies of taxi cab drivers and convenience stores. But others, who include bullying, harrassment, and stalking, insist that a lot of worker-on-worker conflict goes on --- which may or may not escalate to violence --- and is underreported.

Your thoughts?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 6, 2009 2:38:14 AM PDT
thames says:
They should give high school bullies MDMA perhaps....

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 6, 2009 11:25:59 AM PDT
Hi Bob!

Thanks for posting. Pardon my ignorance, but what is MDMA?

Posted on Oct 6, 2009 8:31:06 PM PDT
At first, LSD was laced with strychnine to enhance the trip (ie make it last longer, not make it more psychedelic) and then the speed/ amphetamine aspect of the drug took over from the psychedelic aspects as its main selling point.

Nowadays, with ecstasy and its hybrids like MDMA, we have a situation where it is used purely as a stimulant to allow the user to party hearty, without losing themselves in imagination, but it "cooks them from the inside", a most unpleasant way to die.

Mushrooms, with their psilocybin, are organic, but still can be rejected by the body if you take too much. The chemically based drugs offer no such "luxury".

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 9, 2009 9:20:42 PM PDT
lc says:
thanks for the topic!
yes, i agree with the study results, and really feel uplifted to see such a simple, yet effective pro-action from a principal confronts this. such a good idea that i think it should be done at all schools every school year!

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 10, 2009 7:35:36 AM PDT
Hi Ic!

Thanks for posting. Do you have any personal "bullying" stories to share? Or effective solutions?

Posted on Oct 12, 2009 11:35:11 PM PDT
lc says:
wellllll, i wish i did have a cover-it-all solution. the best i know is - catching it early in childhood and addressing underlying issues of the bully/family. on the other side of the coin is the "easy target" for a bully. that's were my son and i had fit in. perhaps this won't sound like the best solution for "targets", but my military father made it work for me, and in turn it worked for my son. after taunts/initiation by known bully -to physically defend myself with "all you got", or my dad would belt/whoop me so bad that it would be far worse than any kid fight. long story, short--fight back. so as an 8th grader, i got suspended from school for 2 days for being in a fight, but only 4yrs later, "it" essentially saved my life from a rapist/murderer. in my son's case, 4th grade--it cost him 1 day suspension and a "boxer's fracture" which put him in a cast from hand to almost elbow, but gave him respect in the very small school district and thus no more "bully" probs, which he had struggled with up til that point.

m.m.--if you are still out there--i look forward to your Bullying story--i am pretty sure we all have been on 1 side of it or the other....

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 13, 2009 7:22:29 AM PDT
Hi Ic!

Thanks for sharing your and your son's "bullying" stories. I have no personal bullying stories. (These days I work in a big box store, and my days are filled with harrassment that doesn't quite fit the "bullying "mold.)

I have known guys who were bullied in school, and begged their parents for the money to attend martial arts classes. They learned close-in fighting, and eventually not only got rid of the "bullying", but also came to the defense of other bullied kids.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2009 5:57:00 PM PDT
lc says:
mm,
gotta say i am surprised, and happy that you dont have any personal bullying experiences, although adult harrassment is no fun either.
your mention of martial arts, reminded me that, after that attack i spoke of, i decided to attend self defense class at ymca, and in later years tai kwon do instruction. i also got my daughter into tai kwon do, and attended again with her, so i do beleive in its benefits greatly!

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 15, 2009 10:10:10 AM PDT
Hi Ic!

Glad you and your daughter got some martial arts training. The problem with women, I was told, is that we don't have the upper body strength to successfully wield bats or shotguns, which can many times be taken from us and then we get beat up with our own weapons! Women's best set of muscles, for martial arts, are our thighs. So our kicks can do a lot more damage against an attacker. (I was taught to kick someone just under the knee-cap; it dislocates the knee-cap, and the attacker goes down like a stone and can't stand back up.)

Another benefit of martial arts, is that you can learn close-in moves to repel an attacker (versus carrying a golf club which can be taken away and used against you.) I have a friend on-line who is a long-time student of Kung Fu. He says that people with weapons have all their energy directed into that weapon hand. So they are already off-balance, and a good martial artist can get in just enough licks to bring down the attacker.

Glad your bully-days are behind you! So I'm glad you've overcome, and got your child trained early how to defend herself.

Posted on Oct 16, 2009 3:41:14 AM PDT
lc says:
thanks, mm!
kinda quiet on this forum. interesting, that my first time posting on this psychology board would be to a fellow Texan's discussion. lol.
you seem like an awfully nice person, --happy trails to ya, partner!

Posted on Nov 15, 2009 7:42:41 AM PST
Interesting article in today's Boston Globe (11/15/09), about the drive for "anti-bully legislation". Here's the link:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2009/11/15/support_swells_for_anti_bully_legislation/

Let's hope these bills or laws pass!

Posted on Feb 24, 2010 2:16:52 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 24, 2010 2:18:33 PM PST
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/02/24/antibully_measure_advances_to_senate/

Massachusetts' anti-bully legislation is moving forward, spurred by the recent suicide of a student being bullied.

One provision of the legislation would require every school district to adopt prevention and intervention measures. And the bill covers both in-person and cyber-bullying. There is also a provision for counseling autistic students how to handle bullying, since they are frequently a target for bullies.

Posted on Mar 5, 2010 8:39:16 AM PST
http://www.splcenter.org

Southern Poverty Law Center just released a report, that "hate groups" in the U.S. have surged back almost 300% in the past year alone.

Does anyone know of research linking young bullies, who later join hate groups as adults?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 5, 2010 10:28:31 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
You mean real research? You can't find anything on your usual source sites?

Posted on Mar 5, 2010 3:18:22 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 5, 2010 8:42:51 PM PST
Ronald Craig says:
Careful, she'll get out her tatoo kit! :o

Posted on Mar 6, 2010 6:37:08 AM PST
Hi Million!

Yes, cyber-bullying is growing, mainly because of the anonymity, or the can't-get-to-me factor (distance or anonymity). That's why Massachusetts' new anti-bullying law covers both in-person bullying and cyber-bullying.

I've never experienced bullying, per se. (Although harrassment, a Big Yes.) My high school class had 50 kids, and was situated in a small town, so it was a pretty sheltered time for me. And I've never been in a "clique" anytime, anywhere in my life. If anything, I was a loner. Which, instead of gossiping and spreading lies, left me with time to read and pursue my own interests, unhindered by the mob-mentality.

But if "passive bullying" means ignoring the Pests and Troublemakers, or not falling for their games or inflammatory/inciting rhetoric, in person and on the internet, guilty as charged.

How about you, Million? High school cliques? Passive or Aggressive Bullying?

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